Message from @Jarl_Seraphim

Discord ID: 468793055764545546


2018-07-17 14:50:01 UTC  

And I will call them out on that

2018-07-17 14:50:45 UTC  

Who appoints a pope?

2018-07-17 14:51:27 UTC  

You can check the details on how new popes come to be

2018-07-17 14:52:19 UTC  

But the moment someone is Pope, he has authority

2018-07-17 14:52:41 UTC  

No, please don't be coy.

2018-07-17 14:52:54 UTC  

How does a pope become pope

2018-07-17 14:53:20 UTC  

I don't know the exact details about how the Pope is chosen, they are irrelevant here

2018-07-17 14:53:34 UTC  

No it's not

2018-07-17 14:53:54 UTC  

Because if they're chosen by a council or by bishops my point still holds

2018-07-17 14:53:58 UTC  

They are, because authority does not come from a bloodline, but from God

2018-07-17 14:54:04 UTC  

It's literally because of democracy

2018-07-17 14:54:18 UTC  

If they are chosen by a council, there is no voting by any majority of population

2018-07-17 14:54:33 UTC  

Otherwise, you could as well sya that there is a democracy where the population is a single person

2018-07-17 14:55:18 UTC  

Well that's essentially what I am saying. Is that the pope is infallible because you say he's infallible.

2018-07-17 14:55:22 UTC  

The papacy is a lifelong title. The pope does not have to follow any wishes of the majority

2018-07-17 14:55:23 UTC  

That's not an argument

2018-07-17 14:55:38 UTC  

He's infallible because the Church is divine, created by Christ and the Gates of Hell will not prevail

2018-07-17 14:55:50 UTC  

What part of that is not an argument?

2018-07-17 14:55:58 UTC  

The circular part.

2018-07-17 14:56:13 UTC  

What circular part? The original is well established with the creation of the Church by Christ

2018-07-17 14:56:14 UTC  

>Scripture is not the basis of Christianity

2018-07-17 14:56:28 UTC  

>uses scripture to prove point

2018-07-17 14:56:35 UTC  

So?

2018-07-17 14:56:52 UTC  

It is what Christ said, with or without scripture narrating it

2018-07-17 14:57:21 UTC  

I think you are mistaking consistency with circularity

2018-07-17 14:57:34 UTC  

All the pieces fit perfectly with each other, and you call it "circular"

2018-07-17 14:57:43 UTC  

Haha

2018-07-17 14:57:50 UTC  

It doesn't fit perfectly

2018-07-17 14:58:03 UTC  

You use mental gymnastics to shove it together

2018-07-17 14:58:04 UTC  

It does. An unbroken line of succession since Peter

2018-07-17 14:58:13 UTC  

Right

2018-07-17 14:58:17 UTC  

Things have been this way from the first christians

2018-07-17 14:58:31 UTC  

That was decided upon by a council

2018-07-17 14:58:36 UTC  

Irregardless of scripture

2018-07-17 14:58:47 UTC  

Because scripture is not the basis of Christianity

2018-07-17 14:59:05 UTC  

It is precisely through councils that the canon of the Bible was decided

2018-07-17 14:59:13 UTC  

Some centuries after Christ

2018-07-17 14:59:19 UTC  

But it's the one part and interpretation of scripture that you use to define everything you're saying

2018-07-17 14:59:41 UTC  

I'm talking the teachings of those who gave us scripture in the first place

2018-07-17 14:59:53 UTC  

Ok give me an second and let me see if I can explain it you how it comes across to me from your explanation

2018-07-17 15:00:01 UTC  

Without the Church, what you consider to be scripture is just another random collection of writtings