Message from @Jarl_Seraphim

Discord ID: 468791675951513610


2018-07-17 14:45:04 UTC  

It is Christ. And form Christ comes the Church

2018-07-17 14:45:53 UTC  

Apostolic Christianity exists since day 1, unlike protestant denominations that are traced to some random American, vow-breaking monk, or divorced king

2018-07-17 14:46:17 UTC  

Haha

2018-07-17 14:47:00 UTC  

Yeah but you don't understand by agreeing on scriptural interpretation at a counsel is not infallible

2018-07-17 14:47:06 UTC  

Otherwise people wouldn't disagree

2018-07-17 14:47:31 UTC  

The authority of an acumenical council is infallible

2018-07-17 14:47:53 UTC  

People disagree because people break away

2018-07-17 14:48:21 UTC  

Just because you had the most people on your side and could physically remove them by pain of torture or death definitely sounds like infallible apostolic succession to me. Good one.

2018-07-17 14:48:37 UTC  

Or you physically remove them and call them heretics.

2018-07-17 14:48:46 UTC  

Through democracy

2018-07-17 14:48:57 UTC  

It's not about majority

2018-07-17 14:49:11 UTC  

Ok

2018-07-17 14:49:11 UTC  

It has never been about majorities, which is why there is a hierarchy with a pope at the end

2018-07-17 14:49:18 UTC  

So how did a counsel agree

2018-07-17 14:49:20 UTC  

Heretics have been the majority at times

2018-07-17 14:49:31 UTC  

The council has a result that has to be approved by the Pope

2018-07-17 14:49:33 UTC  

It hasn't always been with a pope at the head

2018-07-17 14:49:48 UTC  

It's why the Orthodox have issue with the Catholic Church

2018-07-17 14:49:56 UTC  

The word of the Pope has always been final. If the Pope decrees that a council is not valid, it is not valid

2018-07-17 14:50:01 UTC  

And I will call them out on that

2018-07-17 14:50:45 UTC  

Who appoints a pope?

2018-07-17 14:51:27 UTC  

You can check the details on how new popes come to be

2018-07-17 14:52:19 UTC  

But the moment someone is Pope, he has authority

2018-07-17 14:52:41 UTC  

No, please don't be coy.

2018-07-17 14:52:54 UTC  

How does a pope become pope

2018-07-17 14:53:20 UTC  

I don't know the exact details about how the Pope is chosen, they are irrelevant here

2018-07-17 14:53:34 UTC  

No it's not

2018-07-17 14:53:54 UTC  

Because if they're chosen by a council or by bishops my point still holds

2018-07-17 14:53:58 UTC  

They are, because authority does not come from a bloodline, but from God

2018-07-17 14:54:04 UTC  

It's literally because of democracy

2018-07-17 14:54:18 UTC  

If they are chosen by a council, there is no voting by any majority of population

2018-07-17 14:54:33 UTC  

Otherwise, you could as well sya that there is a democracy where the population is a single person

2018-07-17 14:55:18 UTC  

Well that's essentially what I am saying. Is that the pope is infallible because you say he's infallible.

2018-07-17 14:55:22 UTC  

The papacy is a lifelong title. The pope does not have to follow any wishes of the majority

2018-07-17 14:55:23 UTC  

That's not an argument

2018-07-17 14:55:38 UTC  

He's infallible because the Church is divine, created by Christ and the Gates of Hell will not prevail

2018-07-17 14:55:50 UTC  

What part of that is not an argument?

2018-07-17 14:55:58 UTC  

The circular part.

2018-07-17 14:56:13 UTC  

What circular part? The original is well established with the creation of the Church by Christ

2018-07-17 14:56:14 UTC  

>Scripture is not the basis of Christianity

2018-07-17 14:56:28 UTC  

>uses scripture to prove point