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Hello all. As an Anglican, Church I attended when I became a Christian, I've been looking into different denominations such as Orthodoxy, which I'm leaning towards, or Catholicism but there are some things that bug me because I come from a protestant tradition. Do you think there are any protestant denominations that are right and do you see that there are things in the older traditions that might be heretical, or at least extra biblical? Sorry if this is vague but I am trying to reconcile lots of different things.

Yeah.

I meet them all the time lol.

Well. I see them online. Most one's I've met have been nothing but polite and courteous

I just don't like the way the protestant Church is Liberalising and but I have some hang ups with the older traditions.

I don't believe that to be the case it was supposed to be a reformation of deemed heresies

We respect apostolic authority

A heretic? Yes

Only because it was decided upon by a number of believers, that's essentially saying church is based on democracy and not scripture

Which protestants reject

Yeah and the Anglican church declares itself to be apostolic

Which is in our creed

Please don't be retarded and facetious

You know what I mean

Many people who were Catholic became Anglican

And that's where we draw our line from

Just because we differ Theologically doesn't mean the denomination sprang out of nothing

Yes, comparing Anglicanism to Muhammed

It's not apostasy though. We still believe.

No it sprang from the reformation and was aided by the divorces of Henry 8 correct

So are Orthodox heretics?

So yoie argument is

Your*

Even if the Catholic Church went entirely against the Bible it would still be the one true Church because it had an unbroken line of apostolic succession?

I'm not spitting on anything

Yes of course.

I know

But still

If the Catholic Church went against scripture today

Would you consider it the one true Church?

If you were to cheat on your wife that would not be against scripture? You'd have to go to the pope and ask him for his infallible opinion on the matter?

How did people read and understand the Bible and compile it and decide? So you're saying the reason Catholicism is the one true Church is because the line of people who compiled it and interpretated it were and are infallible?

Protestant denominations that disagree with mainstream Theological interpretations aren't in Disagreement about what's right, they're purposefully sinful

Sounds like circular reasoning to never be wrong about anything.

Haha

Yeah but you don't understand by agreeing on scriptural interpretation at a counsel is not infallible

Otherwise people wouldn't disagree

Just because you had the most people on your side and could physically remove them by pain of torture or death definitely sounds like infallible apostolic succession to me. Good one.

Or you physically remove them and call them heretics.

Through democracy

Ok

So how did a counsel agree

It hasn't always been with a pope at the head

It's why the Orthodox have issue with the Catholic Church

Who appoints a pope?

No, please don't be coy.

How does a pope become pope

No it's not

Because if they're chosen by a council or by bishops my point still holds

It's literally because of democracy

Well that's essentially what I am saying. Is that the pope is infallible because you say he's infallible.

That's not an argument

The circular part.

>Scripture is not the basis of Christianity

>uses scripture to prove point

Haha

It doesn't fit perfectly

You use mental gymnastics to shove it together

Right

That was decided upon by a council

Irregardless of scripture

Because scripture is not the basis of Christianity

But it's the one part and interpretation of scripture that you use to define everything you're saying

Ok give me an second and let me see if I can explain it you how it comes across to me from your explanation

The church is what it is because the council decides the interpretation of scripture. But the only argument from what makes the council right is one part of scripture that means a specific interpretation to that specific council agreed upon? That is definitionally circular reasoning.

So everything that the Catholic Church has done, is doing and will do is entirely righteous because of the piece of scripture you quoted because the Church is infallible because of said scripture?

I haven't

I'm not trying to be difficult or straw man you

I'm honestly trying to understand

Right

So everything the Catholic Church has done, is doing and will do is entirely righteous because of that scripture?

The Church is infallible because of that scripture?

Are people who aren't apostles heretics and unable to do miracles and preach the gospel?

A heretic is someone who goes outside church dogma?

Are they a believer?

In the Gospel and in Christ

Are people who work miracles and preach the gospel in Christ's name be heretics?

Because surely a house divided will fall and the church cannot fall but people who do miracles in the name of Christ are for Christ.

No, again please don't be facetious

"Do not stop him," Jesus said. "For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us."

Who is us

Christ also said this

So you can't do a miracle and then call Christ a transvestite because of the scripture you quote.

No.

I'm trying to understand a Catholic's understanding and interpretation of the faith

Ok.

Ok.

Was nice talking to you.

Thank you for the insights.

@Edrodian881 how did the catechism come about? And how is it declared accurate?

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