Message from @Jarl_Seraphim

Discord ID: 468791142050430998


2018-07-17 14:36:51 UTC  

Who says what is against scripture?

2018-07-17 14:39:01 UTC  

If you were to cheat on your wife that would not be against scripture? You'd have to go to the pope and ask him for his infallible opinion on the matter?

2018-07-17 14:39:34 UTC  

It is against scripture to say that the Church can go against Scripture

2018-07-17 14:39:42 UTC  

The Gates of Hell will not prevail

2018-07-17 14:40:31 UTC  

You seem to imply that it is so easy to know what is and isn't against scripture, that there is no need for an infallible Church

2018-07-17 14:40:51 UTC  

However, you got a million denominations, each of them with a different opinion on what goes and does not go against Scripture

2018-07-17 14:42:24 UTC  

How did people read and understand the Bible and compile it and decide? So you're saying the reason Catholicism is the one true Church is because the line of people who compiled it and interpretated it were and are infallible?

2018-07-17 14:43:41 UTC  

Protestant denominations that disagree with mainstream Theological interpretations aren't in Disagreement about what's right, they're purposefully sinful

2018-07-17 14:44:15 UTC  

Catholicism is the Church because it has been since it was created by Christ

2018-07-17 14:44:17 UTC  

Sounds like circular reasoning to never be wrong about anything.

2018-07-17 14:44:28 UTC  

And the Bible did not exist as such for a few centuries

2018-07-17 14:44:55 UTC  

The basis of Christianity is not the Bible

2018-07-17 14:45:04 UTC  

It is Christ. And form Christ comes the Church

2018-07-17 14:45:53 UTC  

Apostolic Christianity exists since day 1, unlike protestant denominations that are traced to some random American, vow-breaking monk, or divorced king

2018-07-17 14:46:17 UTC  

Haha

2018-07-17 14:47:00 UTC  

Yeah but you don't understand by agreeing on scriptural interpretation at a counsel is not infallible

2018-07-17 14:47:06 UTC  

Otherwise people wouldn't disagree

2018-07-17 14:47:31 UTC  

The authority of an acumenical council is infallible

2018-07-17 14:47:53 UTC  

People disagree because people break away

2018-07-17 14:48:21 UTC  

Just because you had the most people on your side and could physically remove them by pain of torture or death definitely sounds like infallible apostolic succession to me. Good one.

2018-07-17 14:48:37 UTC  

Or you physically remove them and call them heretics.

2018-07-17 14:48:46 UTC  

Through democracy

2018-07-17 14:48:57 UTC  

It's not about majority

2018-07-17 14:49:11 UTC  

Ok

2018-07-17 14:49:11 UTC  

It has never been about majorities, which is why there is a hierarchy with a pope at the end

2018-07-17 14:49:18 UTC  

So how did a counsel agree

2018-07-17 14:49:20 UTC  

Heretics have been the majority at times

2018-07-17 14:49:31 UTC  

The council has a result that has to be approved by the Pope

2018-07-17 14:49:33 UTC  

It hasn't always been with a pope at the head

2018-07-17 14:49:48 UTC  

It's why the Orthodox have issue with the Catholic Church

2018-07-17 14:49:56 UTC  

The word of the Pope has always been final. If the Pope decrees that a council is not valid, it is not valid

2018-07-17 14:50:01 UTC  

And I will call them out on that

2018-07-17 14:50:45 UTC  

Who appoints a pope?

2018-07-17 14:51:27 UTC  

You can check the details on how new popes come to be

2018-07-17 14:52:19 UTC  

But the moment someone is Pope, he has authority

2018-07-17 14:52:41 UTC  

No, please don't be coy.

2018-07-17 14:52:54 UTC  

How does a pope become pope

2018-07-17 14:53:20 UTC  

I don't know the exact details about how the Pope is chosen, they are irrelevant here

2018-07-17 14:53:34 UTC  

No it's not

2018-07-17 14:53:54 UTC  

Because if they're chosen by a council or by bishops my point still holds

2018-07-17 14:53:58 UTC  

They are, because authority does not come from a bloodline, but from God