Message from @TheImperator

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2018-10-11 20:11:25 UTC  

I can only imagine if every rite in the Catholic Church schismed because of basic liturgical reforms.

2018-10-11 20:12:30 UTC  

A dozen SSPX's.

2018-10-11 20:16:13 UTC  

Like I said they're basically Amish

2018-10-11 20:16:34 UTC  

But afaik the anathema on them has been lifted and they're welcome to re enter communion and keep their old rite

2018-10-11 20:17:00 UTC  

Glad to hear that.

2018-10-11 20:17:12 UTC  

The difference isn't dogmatical, if I remember correctly.

2018-10-11 20:18:03 UTC  

But what I mean is

2018-10-11 20:18:21 UTC  

Like, a general sense of communion or from one of the patriarchs, or what?

2018-10-11 20:20:07 UTC  

Now how do the old believers see the gayreeks, probably the same way the sspx sees norvus ordo

2018-10-11 20:20:33 UTC  

The SSPX was partly justified though

2018-10-11 20:20:48 UTC  

Because Vatican 2 wasn't 'just' basic liturgical reforms.

2018-10-11 20:21:00 UTC  

Depends. If you look at the history of the early church you can find plenty of times in which bishops would schism from each other but everyone else would be in communion with both because it was basically a clerical spat - a bit like what's going on with Moscow and Constantinople

2018-10-11 20:22:59 UTC  

Iirc the great schism was originally thought of as a clerical sperging out, that east and west bishops were like "give it a month or so"

2018-10-11 20:23:43 UTC  

inb4 the East reunited and schismed again like, 4 times in total.

2018-10-11 20:23:58 UTC  

Pretty much that, ruin

2018-10-11 20:24:48 UTC  

I'm only aware of once that many eastern clerics were politically manhandled into submission before rightly breaking off again

2018-10-11 20:25:51 UTC  

Wanting military aid is a poor reason to compromise correct doctrine and they paid the price for such sin

2018-10-11 20:26:25 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/500041505273282582/received_276452826530142.jpeg

2018-10-11 20:27:10 UTC  

^

2018-10-11 20:28:21 UTC  

Don't tell that to Earl Of Gray tho

2018-10-11 20:28:23 UTC  

It happened a couple times mate. The Ecumenical Patriarch literally announced that the Church in Rome was the original Church and re-entered communion with it, until the Ottomans took over and established their own puppet Patriarch who broke it off again.

2018-10-11 20:29:14 UTC  

Again, I've only heard of one time, that being Florence

2018-10-11 20:29:25 UTC  

Inb4 you cite the forged letter

2018-10-11 20:29:43 UTC  

what forged letter

2018-10-11 20:30:32 UTC  

A forged letter supposedly conceding things to Rome that appeared around the time of the supposed writer's mysterious death

2018-10-11 20:30:43 UTC  

But if you don't know then you must not have been going to

2018-10-11 20:30:53 UTC  

But really, what other times than Florence?

2018-10-11 20:36:09 UTC  

I thought there were a couple other ones, but now I think that one 'was' Florence.

2018-10-11 20:39:00 UTC  

Honestly I don't really care anyway, as the Eastern Church is what's stopping Russia from 'modernizing' along with the rest of the West.

2018-10-11 20:40:20 UTC  

Reconcilation with the Catholic Church at this time would only lead to Russia becoming run over by revolutionary ideology just like the rest of us.

2018-10-11 20:49:09 UTC  

Unpopular opinion.

2018-10-11 20:49:29 UTC  

We should literally let in more refugees to accelerate the collapse of the system.

2018-10-11 20:50:46 UTC  

And let millions suffer undeserveingly

2018-10-11 20:51:23 UTC  

Remember that the elites will not feel the effects of the collapse until the very last nanosecond

2018-10-11 20:55:04 UTC  

Millions already suffer undeservingly, and the elites won't feel the effects of the collapse until the last second either way.

2018-10-11 20:55:52 UTC  

But if the refugee crisis is adequetely dealt with, and all the people that are uppity about it have nothing more to complain about, then the elites won't come out of power at all.

2018-10-11 20:58:19 UTC  

It's happened before. Something big happens that interrupts the private lives of all the uncaring people, the elites can't ignore it anymore, so they throw the people a bone, and everyone just goes back to their regular routine.

2018-10-11 21:01:20 UTC  

Europeans chose the troubles they're getting when they accepted masonic enlightenment philosophy

2018-10-11 21:02:57 UTC  

Honestly we don't even need to do anything, we just need to refuse to try and stop it.

2018-10-11 21:03:37 UTC  

Take refuge in the hills and forests
Group together with your own kind

2018-10-11 21:06:56 UTC  

Good luck with that.