I am not an expert but as I recall, Nikon was actually trying to bring things more in line with the Byzantine rite

Which is barely changed

The Old Believers have the worst reason for schism I've ever seen.

Honestly, yes.

I can only imagine if every rite in the Catholic Church schismed because of basic liturgical reforms.

A dozen SSPX's.

Like I said they're basically Amish

But afaik the anathema on them has been lifted and they're welcome to re enter communion and keep their old rite

Glad to hear that.

The difference isn't dogmatical, if I remember correctly.

But what I mean is

Like, a general sense of communion or from one of the patriarchs, or what?

Now how do the old believers see the gayreeks, probably the same way the sspx sees norvus ordo

The SSPX was partly justified though

Because Vatican 2 wasn't 'just' basic liturgical reforms.

Depends. If you look at the history of the early church you can find plenty of times in which bishops would schism from each other but everyone else would be in communion with both because it was basically a clerical spat - a bit like what's going on with Moscow and Constantinople

Iirc the great schism was originally thought of as a clerical sperging out, that east and west bishops were like "give it a month or so"

inb4 the East reunited and schismed again like, 4 times in total.

Pretty much that, ruin

I'm only aware of once that many eastern clerics were politically manhandled into submission before rightly breaking off again

Wanting military aid is a poor reason to compromise correct doctrine and they paid the price for such sin

^

Don't tell that to Earl Of Gray tho

It happened a couple times mate. The Ecumenical Patriarch literally announced that the Church in Rome was the original Church and re-entered communion with it, until the Ottomans took over and established their own puppet Patriarch who broke it off again.

Again, I've only heard of one time, that being Florence

Inb4 you cite the forged letter

what forged letter

A forged letter supposedly conceding things to Rome that appeared around the time of the supposed writer's mysterious death

But if you don't know then you must not have been going to

But really, what other times than Florence?

I thought there were a couple other ones, but now I think that one 'was' Florence.

Honestly I don't really care anyway, as the Eastern Church is what's stopping Russia from 'modernizing' along with the rest of the West.

Reconcilation with the Catholic Church at this time would only lead to Russia becoming run over by revolutionary ideology just like the rest of us.

Unpopular opinion.

We should literally let in more refugees to accelerate the collapse of the system.

And let millions suffer undeserveingly

Remember that the elites will not feel the effects of the collapse until the very last nanosecond

Millions already suffer undeservingly, and the elites won't feel the effects of the collapse until the last second either way.

But if the refugee crisis is adequetely dealt with, and all the people that are uppity about it have nothing more to complain about, then the elites won't come out of power at all.

It's happened before. Something big happens that interrupts the private lives of all the uncaring people, the elites can't ignore it anymore, so they throw the people a bone, and everyone just goes back to their regular routine.