Message from @Mozalbete ⳩
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Wow, what was before a bunch of particles in arbitrary regions of space, are now a bunch of particles in arbitrary regions of space. Big deal
"becomes a husk" is a romantic way of describing what doesn't really have any significance in the material world
But, can you give a straightforward answer to my question? Do I have a soul that will exist after I die? What is this soul? How long will it exist? How do you know?
And what you call "qualitative difference" is only a difference because you, as an individual, identify it as such, not because there is any intrinsic difference in the impersonal, external world
You do have a soul that will exist after death, because death affects the body
We can say of the soul what is revealed to us, or what we can infer though phylosophy, or theology, or similar sciences
Bro, I've seen animals die. I know there's a qualitative difference after. The body was just a vehicle for the mind that animates it.
The mind is a verb. It's perfectly consistent with materialism.
Which one? That you, as an individual, liked seeing some cluster of particles changing their position in space
The mind is part of the body
It is an organ, a bunch of particles.
That is, the brain, which is what you refer to as "mind"
It animates something as much as my hand animates a rock by throwing it
So I have a soul then? Nice. So, how long will it exist?
You ask that because you are used to material things degrading
A projection of material properties, but since the soul can't be erosed, or undergo similar things, there is no reason why it would disappear, and we with it
I'm just seeing if you believe in actual infinities.
And we are said by the prophet and Christ how the soul is eternal. And those claims are backed up by many prophecies, and miracles witnessed by people who died for them
There are several infinites
There is the idea that there is no reason why something would stop
There is the idea that something has been going on "for an infinite time", which is impossible, because it implies that an infinite amount of times/events have come to an end, which contradicts infinity
I don't want to commit heresy, but I have a hard time getting around zeno's paradox concerning actual infinities. I also don't see why that means that something has to stop. The bible seems to imply infinity for sure.
Things don't have to stop for no reason
Umm, so I have this soul that will go up to heaven, right?
THat's the point of your religion?
It doesnt ahve to necessarely go to Heaven, if it dooms itself
The soul is given everything it needs to go to Heaven
Where else would it go? Hell?
Do souls go to hell? Do they exist there forever? Is it bad?
If we reject God, and God's grace, then Hell it is
We know that the nature of sin is suffering, which of course implies suffering in one way or another. And it is forever
Now some people ask themselves
I hate to throw a bone to the atheists, but that sounds totally ghoulish. Look, I hate groups of evil people on this earth too, but even I don't believe that Catholics deserve to go to hell forever. That's overkill.
"If I, who am but a random person, would be merciful enough to not to give anyone such a punishment, how could God, who is by definition infinitely merciful, doom someone to Hell". People who think that usually project our fear of something that "goes on", which is in the end worse than the punishment itself
Scripture just says that the wages of sin is death. This thing about hell is based on the idea of the eternal soul. It's a few degrees removed from scripture.
The punishments of Hell are ****deserved****
Hell is mentioned constantly by Christ, for example, as well as the punishment of the unjust
Both the mercy, and the justice of God
Alright, I'm not going to try and talk you out of it. Ehh, Christ was a Jew. He didn't believe in this fiery torture chamber you guys came up with hundreds of years later.
Christ mentions Hell