Message from @Quarantine_Zone

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2019-04-28 18:21:53 UTC  

idk i have no clue

2019-04-28 18:22:09 UTC  

@lux yep! But most laity are unfamiliar with it

2019-04-28 18:22:44 UTC  

This is a great resource when reading Revelation. The Catena Bible app too

2019-04-28 18:23:44 UTC  

Personally I want to go through it on my own before I read a commentary

2019-04-28 18:24:25 UTC  

Past that to get a deep understanding, you really have to get into some advanced stuff. I'd recommend becoming familiar with the Dead Sea Scrolls, LXX, and the Old Testament. Apocalyptic literature is like reading one big piece of citation. The book is kinda like a code and the key is other literature

2019-04-28 18:24:37 UTC  

How will we know the antichrist?

2019-04-28 18:24:48 UTC  

The Antichrist is not an individual

2019-04-28 18:25:08 UTC  

Open to interpretation that one

2019-04-28 18:25:28 UTC  

That's a perfect example of a misconception. The NT *never* mentions "the anticheist" it mentions "antichrist" or "an antichrist"

2019-04-28 18:25:41 UTC  

If you ask the Seventh Day Adventists they say the Pope is the Antichrist

2019-04-28 18:25:53 UTC  

I'm not making an interpretation so much as a grammatical observation of the Greek

2019-04-28 18:26:26 UTC  

Lutherans say the office of the pope is Antchrist. We have a whole book in our confessions about it.

2019-04-28 18:27:01 UTC  

But the point is that reading it at a lay level has not historically been permitted for good reason

2019-04-28 18:27:37 UTC  

Gross

2019-04-28 18:27:43 UTC  

Lutherans are gross

2019-04-28 18:28:23 UTC  

I could see why but I have no concrete reason

2019-04-28 18:28:35 UTC  

I can see why currently

2019-04-28 18:28:42 UTC  

But yeah nah

2019-04-28 18:28:48 UTC  

Not historically

2019-04-28 18:29:03 UTC  

Not the office of the Pope historically

2019-04-28 18:29:18 UTC  

The office of the Pope since the high Middle-ages

2019-04-28 18:29:47 UTC  

Not even then tbh

2019-04-28 18:29:53 UTC  

Like Vatican II onwards

2019-04-28 18:30:27 UTC  

We cite popes in our confessions on many occasions. In fact, in the book "On the Power and Primacy of the Pope" (the book in our confessions) we cite Pope Gregory repeatedly

2019-04-28 18:30:59 UTC  

More on the Antichrist though

2019-04-28 18:31:07 UTC  

The Greek reads: ἀντιχρίστου

2019-04-28 18:32:12 UTC  

Are jews the chosen people?

2019-04-28 18:32:43 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/572128080332587008/Screenshot_20190428-143136_BLB.jpg

2019-04-28 18:33:11 UTC  

So what we see here is that we only see the phrase "the Antichrist" in the 1 John passages

2019-04-28 18:33:43 UTC  

But if you actually go read both passages, they both say that antichrists have already come.

2019-04-28 18:34:45 UTC  

The 4:3 passage actually says rather that something is of "the spirit of the antiChrist which you have heard is coming and is already in the world"

2019-04-28 18:35:02 UTC  

@JoeyJoestar1337 the jews stopped being the chosen people as soon as they crucified Jesus and that’s when Christians became Gods people

2019-04-28 18:35:28 UTC  

Yeah, Mac is correct

2019-04-28 18:35:43 UTC  

Book of Job is quite inspiring

2019-04-28 18:36:00 UTC  

Some Pre-millennials will argue some Jews are still chosen, but this idea is not supported in Patristic literature

2019-04-28 18:36:21 UTC  

Did Jesus say? Or is it inferred?

2019-04-28 18:36:37 UTC  

It’s inferred in Abraham and Moses

2019-04-28 18:36:41 UTC  

Jesus makes it clear in Revelation

2019-04-28 18:36:45 UTC  

It's a matter of interpretting the text in context of the Bible

2019-04-28 18:36:51 UTC  

Should we condemn Israel?