Message from @Iakovos
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**1 Timothy 3:1-7 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
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Qualifications of Bishops
<1> The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. <2> Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, <3> not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money. <4> He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way— <5> for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of God's church? <6> He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. <7> Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace and the snare of the devil. ```
We do not ask this as a matter of a dogmatic thing, and there have been some conflicts related to it
There you can see that the emphasis is in "only", as in not practicing polygamy
Lol "some conflicts"
1 Timothy 3:1-7
1 Timothy 4:1-4
**1 Timothy 3:1-7 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
```Dust
Qualifications of Bishops
<1> The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. <2> Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, <3> not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money. <4> He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way— <5> for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of God's church? <6> He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. <7> Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace and the snare of the devil. ```
**1 Timothy 4:1-4 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
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False Asceticism
<1> Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will renounce the faith by paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, <2> through the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared with a hot iron. <3> They forbid marriage and demand abstinence from foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. <4> For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, provided it is received with thanksgiving; ```
There you can see that the emphasis is in "only", as in not practicing polygamy
Married only once. To the Church.
Only Christ married the Church. How can a woman have multiple husbands?
And as I have said, this is form a time where the Church was much more sparse, Christianity was new, and bishops were taken from the general population. But even then it is normal that, those that had a previous marriage, were expected to abandon their conjugal rights
Those who didnt were held in low steem
1 Timothy 4:1-4
**1 Timothy 4:1-4 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
```Dust
False Asceticism
<1> Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will renounce the faith by paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, <2> through the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared with a hot iron. <3> They forbid marriage and demand abstinence from foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. <4> For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, provided it is received with thanksgiving; ```
BUT DEMONS WILL DECEIVE
Married people can become priests, priests can not marry. An essential part of marriage is the marital act of which priests voluntarily abstain. The marital act is necessary to consecrate a marriage, thus why priests do not marry. Due to the difficulty of abstaining with a spouse, and that we are instructed to not withhold ourselves from our spouse except out of necessity, the Church preferentially ordained unmarried men.
Lmao, everyone is free to marry
Also marriage isn't a food
We just forbid them to be priests then
Right, so abstaining from pork is a sin.
Priests act in persona christi capitas
@Iakovos priests were married up until the middle ages
Good let's go back to that please
As I've explained to you before, we cannot afford them
Lmao as I have said, that was the case when someone had a former marriage
It doesn't matter
Their salary is pathetic
And he was expected to abandon conjugal rights
It does matter
1 Timothy 4:1-4
**1 Timothy 4:1-4 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
```Dust
False Asceticism
<1> Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will renounce the faith by paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, <2> through the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared with a hot iron. <3> They forbid marriage and demand abstinence from foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. <4> For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, provided it is received with thanksgiving; ```
Christ didn't marry
You can see up there what Jerome, Father of the Church, said
Marriage demands children and brings responsibility. Which a priest cannot afford. Nor can a bishop.
@Mozalbete ⳩ these were instructions from Paul (ordained) to Timothy (also ordained) on how to go about selecting people to ordain as Bishops from the population of priests (already ordained).
Also more than almost all others the priest must be in this world without being of the world
The context of chapter 4 1-4 refers to bishops
Marriage forces one to be of the world for the sake of their family
Not guidelines for pulling randoms out of the crowd.
That verse seems more to predict the Cathar heresy