Message from @Mozalbete ⳩

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2019-05-15 06:39:07 UTC  

> first becuse then there wouldn't be any sign of the messiah


That's literally begging the question. "It can't be young woman" because then it would not be about my messiah Jesus.

2019-05-15 06:39:15 UTC  

THat's literally standard circular reasoning.

2019-05-15 06:39:21 UTC  

No, because a young woman giving birth isn't something unusual

2019-05-15 06:39:28 UTC  

So it makes no sense that Isaiah would say that is a sign

2019-05-15 06:39:30 UTC  

lmao

2019-05-15 06:39:31 UTC  

It is not a messianic prophecy.

2019-05-15 06:39:40 UTC  

It's about Hezekiah IIRc.

2019-05-15 06:39:44 UTC  

It has been since before Christ was born lmao

2019-05-15 06:39:59 UTC  

Why should I think so?

2019-05-15 06:40:13 UTC  

Muslims already believe in the virgin birth and this passage is not about virgin birth nor a messiah

2019-05-15 06:40:27 UTC  

You did not engage my claims above about miracles, prophecies and war.

2019-05-15 06:40:39 UTC  

You completely droppted those and jumped the gun to prophecies about Jesus

2019-05-15 06:40:55 UTC  

IT is, for the reasons I have explained. It was seen as a messianic prophecy even before Christ. I have responded to every claim

2019-05-15 06:40:56 UTC  

Which Jesus failed to fulfill pretty much any (except donkey to Jerusalem)

2019-05-15 06:41:11 UTC  

Regarding miracles, Muhammed even had to come up with verses trying to explain why he had no miracles

2019-05-15 06:41:13 UTC  

>It was seen as a messianic prophecy even before Christ.

This is exactly what I am asking you to justify.

2019-05-15 06:41:22 UTC  

>Muhammed even had to come up with verses trying to explain why he had no miracles

That's not true.

2019-05-15 06:41:43 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/578109743495905280/FB_IMG_1556212891649.jpg

2019-05-15 06:41:50 UTC  

You can't drop silly claims and expect me to take them as rebuttals.

2019-05-15 06:41:55 UTC  

Regarding war, Muhammed was bloodthirsty. He didnt just reluctantly participate in a war for a goal determine by God, he directs

2019-05-15 06:42:02 UTC  

let me check the exact number

2019-05-15 06:42:28 UTC  

>e didnt just reluctantly participate in a war for a goal determine by God,

That's literally circular reasoning again. For somebody who thinks Muhammad is a prophet. He would not share that assumption.

2019-05-15 06:42:40 UTC  

MORE than 15 military campagin. Source, these hadith: https://sunnah.com/search/?q=military+campaigns

2019-05-15 06:42:41 UTC  

Why should I believe that claim?

2019-05-15 06:42:59 UTC  

Sixteen military campaigns.

2019-05-15 06:43:11 UTC  

That also includes the mention of how he kept one fifth of the spoils of war for himself

2019-05-15 06:43:13 UTC  

And that's fine as said above. A lot of those were defensive or to spread a political empire.

2019-05-15 06:43:26 UTC  

He did not. He used it as tax (he was also head of state)

2019-05-15 06:43:46 UTC  

Lmao, those are the ones he kept for himself

2019-05-15 06:44:09 UTC  

"It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to give (from the spoils of war) to small troops seat on expeditions something more than the due share of each fighter in a large force. And Khums (one-fifth of the total spoils) was to be reserved (for Allah and His Apostle) in all cases."

2019-05-15 06:44:24 UTC  

No he did not. he took those spoils and used them for infrastructure. He was clearly very poor (https://www.quora.com/Did-the-prophet-Muhammad-live-in-poverty)

2019-05-15 06:44:31 UTC  

Yes, he took a fifth which I did not deny.

2019-05-15 06:44:53 UTC  

For himself, which is the entire point of reserving them for himself lmao

2019-05-15 06:45:01 UTC  

>responding to a direct quotation of your holy book with a quora link

2019-05-15 06:45:09 UTC  

The infrastructure of his palace lmao

2019-05-15 06:45:33 UTC  

Yeah, he can keep the money for himself and spend it on the infrastructure. By "keeping it for himself", that means it was reserved for him as head of state

2019-05-15 06:45:35 UTC  

Which is perfectly consistent with his harem of up to 9 women which even breaks the rules he gives to others

2019-05-15 06:45:41 UTC  

Is Horatio a heretic,

2019-05-15 06:45:45 UTC  

Hadith is not holy scripture and the Quora has nothing but hadiths.

2019-05-15 06:45:52 UTC  

Yeah, Polygamy is fine.

2019-05-15 06:45:59 UTC  

I really don't care what you think is moral/immoral