Message from @Horatio

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2019-05-15 06:37:45 UTC  

IT is, because agian, he checks every mark of the false prophet

2019-05-15 06:37:49 UTC  

Lmao

2019-05-15 06:37:50 UTC  

It's a classic blunder.

2019-05-15 06:37:59 UTC  

The jews tried to say that centuries ago

2019-05-15 06:38:05 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/578108830047666185/78e_1.jpg

2019-05-15 06:38:07 UTC  

And the Fathers of the Church already addressed

2019-05-15 06:38:08 UTC  

Isaiah 53 is not about the messiah

2019-05-15 06:38:23 UTC  

See Isaiah 43:9

2019-05-15 06:38:23 UTC  

**Isaiah 43:9 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust


<9> Let all the nations gather together, and let the peoples assemble. Who among them declared this, and foretold to us the former things? Let them bring their witnesses to justify them, and let them hear and say, "It is true."```

2019-05-15 06:38:26 UTC  

It can't be young woman, first becuse then there wouldn't be any sign of the messiah

2019-05-15 06:38:34 UTC  

Second, the same word is used to denote virgins

2019-05-15 06:38:34 UTC  

Or rather Isaiah 49:3

2019-05-15 06:38:35 UTC  

**Isaiah 49:3 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust


<3> And he said to me, "You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified."```

2019-05-15 06:38:56 UTC  

Third, even the translation from HEbrew to greek before Christ translated it as virgin

2019-05-15 06:39:07 UTC  

> first becuse then there wouldn't be any sign of the messiah


That's literally begging the question. "It can't be young woman" because then it would not be about my messiah Jesus.

2019-05-15 06:39:15 UTC  

THat's literally standard circular reasoning.

2019-05-15 06:39:21 UTC  

No, because a young woman giving birth isn't something unusual

2019-05-15 06:39:28 UTC  

So it makes no sense that Isaiah would say that is a sign

2019-05-15 06:39:30 UTC  

lmao

2019-05-15 06:39:31 UTC  

It is not a messianic prophecy.

2019-05-15 06:39:40 UTC  

It's about Hezekiah IIRc.

2019-05-15 06:39:44 UTC  

It has been since before Christ was born lmao

2019-05-15 06:39:59 UTC  

Why should I think so?

2019-05-15 06:40:13 UTC  

Muslims already believe in the virgin birth and this passage is not about virgin birth nor a messiah

2019-05-15 06:40:27 UTC  

You did not engage my claims above about miracles, prophecies and war.

2019-05-15 06:40:39 UTC  

You completely droppted those and jumped the gun to prophecies about Jesus

2019-05-15 06:40:55 UTC  

IT is, for the reasons I have explained. It was seen as a messianic prophecy even before Christ. I have responded to every claim

2019-05-15 06:40:56 UTC  

Which Jesus failed to fulfill pretty much any (except donkey to Jerusalem)

2019-05-15 06:41:11 UTC  

Regarding miracles, Muhammed even had to come up with verses trying to explain why he had no miracles

2019-05-15 06:41:13 UTC  

>It was seen as a messianic prophecy even before Christ.

This is exactly what I am asking you to justify.

2019-05-15 06:41:22 UTC  

>Muhammed even had to come up with verses trying to explain why he had no miracles

That's not true.

2019-05-15 06:41:43 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/578109743495905280/FB_IMG_1556212891649.jpg

2019-05-15 06:41:50 UTC  

You can't drop silly claims and expect me to take them as rebuttals.

2019-05-15 06:41:55 UTC  

Regarding war, Muhammed was bloodthirsty. He didnt just reluctantly participate in a war for a goal determine by God, he directs

2019-05-15 06:42:02 UTC  

let me check the exact number

2019-05-15 06:42:28 UTC  

>e didnt just reluctantly participate in a war for a goal determine by God,

That's literally circular reasoning again. For somebody who thinks Muhammad is a prophet. He would not share that assumption.

2019-05-15 06:42:40 UTC  

MORE than 15 military campagin. Source, these hadith: https://sunnah.com/search/?q=military+campaigns

2019-05-15 06:42:41 UTC  

Why should I believe that claim?

2019-05-15 06:42:59 UTC  

Sixteen military campaigns.

2019-05-15 06:43:11 UTC  

That also includes the mention of how he kept one fifth of the spoils of war for himself

2019-05-15 06:43:13 UTC  

And that's fine as said above. A lot of those were defensive or to spread a political empire.