Because we reject such philosophical distinctions

But like, is this what y'all believe @Quarantine_Zone

Should I bother to get quotes from St Ireneaus and St Justin on the sacrificial nature of the mass?

Read their commentaries on Malachi 1:11 off the top of my head for quotes from both

@Wrath the issue with the definition you sent is that it makes out Consubstantiation to be less than what it is

And it lies

Lutheran Scholastics are clear in their rejection of the term in historical context

The Divine Liturgy which utilizes ancient elements written by St Chrysostom is clearly sacrificial in nature also, Lutherans would object to the Divine Liturgy

The didache, apostolic constitutions, all the ancient writers going back to St Ignatius comment on the sacrificial nature of the mass which requires a real and present victim. Not sure why you appeal to tradition for your view when you piecemeal

@Christus obnube Liberatoris We actually do have a sacrificial doctrine

No you don’t if there is no real and present victim it’s just mental gymnastics in my opinion to avoid the clear teachings of the fathers held in the universal church for all time

Even those outside the Catholic world in the East

What about Line IV is unclear to you?

Just reminds me of nestorianism

Idk why

That’s why we formulated our doctrine the way it is, to avoid nestorianism. The debate on iconography also informed the church

https://youtu.be/l-6lDCeCGj0

Luther actually has a very Cyrillian Christology

Jordan cooper is a meme in my opinion I’ve read his book and his “citations” of the fathers in his book on christification because he is scared of theosis

The fathers were so far the other way in their view of theosis it’s ridiculous, the way he treated the fathers showed nothing but bias, ignorance or intentional deception.

So I will not trust anything he says

Didn't the Orthodox patriarchs tell Luther to fuck off? @Daniil

I’ve read the dogmatic Lutherans like Mueller, Jacobs and Voight, I’m familiar with Lutheranism and could not object to their teaching more

Yes. Seeing that Luther was not willing to give up his false teachings in order to team up with the orthodox, the patriarch of constantinople asked him to stop writing them.

What's the background on all the Legion of St. Ambrose drama? I keep seeing trad caths clowning on them on Twitter.

@zuckernerd i am not quite sure, there is a lot of misunderstanding from both side it seems in my view.

ya boi got suspended

Gahahahahahagagahagagah

What'd you say

literally nothing

I just opened twitter today to find footage of the helicopter crash in Manhattan today and I was greeted with that

but then again I was blocked by Jessica Price about three days before so maybe that had something to do with if

*it

Can someone DM me for a serious topic I can't discuss in here?

this should have been in off topic

Oh, got confused

Not even off topic I think filthpit

And I meant to send that there