@Deleted User The fact that we aren't saved by our own merits, and that the grace of God is what actually saves us

by that logic, every practicing Jew will also be secured a spot in heaven, and almost all are aware of the core teachings of Christianity

Oh.

I can get behind that.

If you read some of their texts it even says they believe that God gives their people eternal Grace

@sodomite its not just knowing Jesus, but believing He saved you

Okay prottie.

But calvinists go a step further and say that grace guarantees someone's salvation. so if someone isn't savved, that person never received grace and it was never possible for him to be saved

basically

Isn't that thinly veiled predestination?

Calvinism is really just preachign determinism

Predestination is another thing

we cannot save ourselves. only divine intervention will save us.

all are unworthy, always

those whom God has chosen will naturally do at least SOME good (as much good as a human can do) because of the Holy Spirit intervening and guiding the will

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The OT literally debunks this

Again

Jews were chosen by God. They turned his back and naturally did almost no good

Conversely

We have tons of people who have arrived at God at an arbitrary point in their life through their own accord

Some later defected

some then came back. or never came back

Hey look that's me.

and some repeatedly turn away and then come back

I don’t claim I’m good enough, but I actively try to live a life in accordance and not just say Jesus is the way

Also

Calvinism is only a few centuries old

Divine intervvention enables salvatgion

If Calvinism was the way I'm pretty sure we'd have a huge Calvinist church worldwide

funny how its mainly localized to the Americas

You still have free will that will determine whether you accept the grace or reject it

This is constantly reminded in Scripture, we don't have a path that is set in stone. Salvation is open, but people can go against it

So salvation is by grace, but grace can be rejected. People can or not collaborate

The old saying goes "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink"

Ad Augusta per Angusta

And god has a huge lake

you will never find salvation as a consequence of your own free will, this is because we are inherently broken. only by God's intervention can we be guided towards salvation.

You said that already.

Salvation is by grace, but you have to make the right choices. You can reject God's guidance

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