Message from @ANCAPOLDJACK

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2019-10-11 20:08:44 UTC  

Voluntarism is the concept of a society interacting voluntarily, voluntaryism is specifically about voluntary governance, so voluntarism can include and does over 20 different positions from anprim to ansyn

2019-10-11 20:09:27 UTC  

But how would the society function with the different ideologies?

2019-10-11 20:09:51 UTC  

Through pneumaic ethics or a similar ethical set

2019-10-11 20:10:01 UTC  

so like the best parts of a mutualist society rely around mitigetting the damaging effects of capitalism by forming worker Co-Ops, in a voluntarist society you can do much the same thing, however you can also network with other types of business's that may be opperating in a somewhat different way then your own, keep in mind with out government weather it be mutualist or not corporations would not exist though and so you wouldn't have to worry about them @ANCAPOLDJACK

2019-10-11 20:10:40 UTC  

Okay

2019-10-11 20:10:55 UTC  

Hmm

2019-10-11 20:11:22 UTC  

So it’s more effective in which how people interact and adapt?

2019-10-11 20:11:26 UTC  

Mutualism can exist with individual property rights by combining multiple people’s property rights Into a communal contract, thus allowing for communes or co-op run businesses in a individualist society

2019-10-11 20:11:29 UTC  

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2019-10-11 20:12:29 UTC  

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2019-10-11 20:13:32 UTC  

@ANCAPOLDJACK exactly, it's a true free market on ideas all allowed to coexit at the same time, in such an enviroment competition and inovation should bring about the best possible society

2019-10-11 20:14:00 UTC  

So what would happen with the government?

2019-10-11 20:14:17 UTC  

there is no government

2019-10-11 20:14:41 UTC  

voluntarism is an anarchist ideology much like mutualism is

2019-10-11 20:15:25 UTC  

the only governace we believe in is self governace

2019-10-11 20:16:26 UTC  

you own your self and all things spring from that

2019-10-11 20:17:57 UTC  

Sorry I didn’t mean government

2019-10-11 20:18:00 UTC  

I mean more like

2019-10-11 20:18:11 UTC  

All services would be replaced over time by market competition but at first there would be LCU options with competition to start, but the LCU offers private welfare, education, etc

2019-10-11 20:18:21 UTC  

Do any individuals hold any levels of power or a hierarchy?

2019-10-11 20:18:33 UTC  

That are able to control society

2019-10-11 20:18:35 UTC  

But it won’t adapt or evolve so the market can outcompete it

2019-10-11 20:18:50 UTC  

Protect yes, control no

2019-10-11 20:20:50 UTC  

@ANCAPOLDJACK so like the idea is to get to a point of decentrlised networks of various people and groups so no real hierarchy forms

2019-10-11 20:21:11 UTC  

The LCU is a steping stone in that direction

2019-10-11 20:21:16 UTC  

And this society is almost guaranteed to be successful?

2019-10-11 20:21:17 UTC  

GG @ANCAPOLDJACK, you just advanced to level 2!

2019-10-11 20:21:32 UTC  

In what cases would the society fall apart?

2019-10-11 20:22:49 UTC  

well there's no guarentees in life but the more free market solutions we can come up with to fullfill basic services that everyone wants and needs the better chance we have of making this work long term

2019-10-11 20:24:39 UTC  

since we are primarily as market orented kind of anarhcist ideology we have the best and greatest minds from both sides of the fence

2019-10-11 20:25:32 UTC  

indeed many AnCaps and mutualists alike become voluntarists

2019-10-11 20:26:19 UTC  

Where would you put this

2019-10-11 20:26:28 UTC  

Center left - right wing

2019-10-11 20:26:35 UTC  

Middle right wing

2019-10-11 20:26:38 UTC  

Or far right wing

2019-10-11 20:26:48 UTC  

Or maybe middle left wing

2019-10-11 20:28:20 UTC  

I hate useing such basic politcal compases but if I had to say probably dead center all the way on the bottem of the chart, center maximum liberty

2019-10-11 20:28:34 UTC  

I thought so

2019-10-11 20:28:44 UTC  

Political compasses aren’t very accurate are they?

2019-10-11 20:29:58 UTC  

not really, especialy for explaining what we are because we litterly have AnCaps and syndicalists working together

2019-10-11 20:32:34 UTC  

for example we have people with an AnCap background that want to start a business and be the sole owner of that business with workers he hires but we have syndicalists that want to form voluntary unions and the voluntarist AnCaps are perfectly fine with the syndicalists forming thos unions