Message from @ANCAPOLDJACK

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2019-10-11 20:14:41 UTC  

voluntarism is an anarchist ideology much like mutualism is

2019-10-11 20:15:25 UTC  

the only governace we believe in is self governace

2019-10-11 20:16:26 UTC  

you own your self and all things spring from that

2019-10-11 20:17:57 UTC  

Sorry I didn’t mean government

2019-10-11 20:18:00 UTC  

I mean more like

2019-10-11 20:18:11 UTC  

All services would be replaced over time by market competition but at first there would be LCU options with competition to start, but the LCU offers private welfare, education, etc

2019-10-11 20:18:21 UTC  

Do any individuals hold any levels of power or a hierarchy?

2019-10-11 20:18:33 UTC  

That are able to control society

2019-10-11 20:18:35 UTC  

But it won’t adapt or evolve so the market can outcompete it

2019-10-11 20:18:50 UTC  

Protect yes, control no

2019-10-11 20:20:50 UTC  

@ANCAPOLDJACK so like the idea is to get to a point of decentrlised networks of various people and groups so no real hierarchy forms

2019-10-11 20:21:11 UTC  

The LCU is a steping stone in that direction

2019-10-11 20:21:16 UTC  

And this society is almost guaranteed to be successful?

2019-10-11 20:21:17 UTC  

GG @ANCAPOLDJACK, you just advanced to level 2!

2019-10-11 20:21:32 UTC  

In what cases would the society fall apart?

2019-10-11 20:22:49 UTC  

well there's no guarentees in life but the more free market solutions we can come up with to fullfill basic services that everyone wants and needs the better chance we have of making this work long term

2019-10-11 20:24:39 UTC  

since we are primarily as market orented kind of anarhcist ideology we have the best and greatest minds from both sides of the fence

2019-10-11 20:25:32 UTC  

indeed many AnCaps and mutualists alike become voluntarists

2019-10-11 20:26:19 UTC  

Where would you put this

2019-10-11 20:26:28 UTC  

Center left - right wing

2019-10-11 20:26:35 UTC  

Middle right wing

2019-10-11 20:26:38 UTC  

Or far right wing

2019-10-11 20:26:48 UTC  

Or maybe middle left wing

2019-10-11 20:28:20 UTC  

I hate useing such basic politcal compases but if I had to say probably dead center all the way on the bottem of the chart, center maximum liberty

2019-10-11 20:28:34 UTC  

I thought so

2019-10-11 20:28:44 UTC  

Political compasses aren’t very accurate are they?

2019-10-11 20:29:58 UTC  

not really, especialy for explaining what we are because we litterly have AnCaps and syndicalists working together

2019-10-11 20:32:34 UTC  

for example we have people with an AnCap background that want to start a business and be the sole owner of that business with workers he hires but we have syndicalists that want to form voluntary unions and the voluntarist AnCaps are perfectly fine with the syndicalists forming thos unions

2019-10-11 20:33:39 UTC  

Hmm

2019-10-11 20:36:06 UTC  

the idea is you don't use force against others to get what you want

2019-10-11 20:38:08 UTC  

AnCaps can have their business models but with them we reconize the need for unions too, of course thos unions wouldn't have the force government backing them, they leverage companies through voluntary workforce coperation or lack there of

2019-10-11 20:38:09 UTC  

If you used the left and right dichotomy, then the LCU sadly comes in the center, voluntarist hold economic positions of the left and pro gun, amongst others, and we hold some of the social issue of the left, particularly the ones where the government gets in the way of equality and pursuit of happiness along with open borders, etc

2019-10-11 20:38:36 UTC  

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2019-10-11 20:39:24 UTC  

It’s kinda funny how people are so stuck in a delusion that the opposite of both sides of a scale is in the center of it

2019-10-11 20:39:26 UTC  

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2019-10-11 20:39:33 UTC  

But, this is America

2019-10-11 20:39:52 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611780143530246155/632316461129531422/image0.jpg

2019-10-11 20:40:27 UTC  

So is that the only way a voluntarist society is different from other anarchist ones

2019-10-11 20:41:27 UTC  

we have strong property rights in ours

2019-10-11 20:41:45 UTC  

that's probably the only other difference

2019-10-11 20:42:15 UTC  

probably as strong as AnCap property rights or atleast very close anyways