Message from @hamel4real

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2019-10-24 15:56:53 UTC  

The only thing really stopping socialism from ever becoming great is force and monopolies

2019-10-24 15:57:18 UTC  

If 1 collectively grind group has a monopoly on a certain industry it'd be just as bad as a capitalist one

2019-10-24 15:57:18 UTC  

GG @gundagger, you just advanced to level 7!

2019-10-24 15:57:44 UTC  

From my experience with other socialists, you are putting out some very new points to me about it.

2019-10-24 15:58:06 UTC  

The main issue with socialism imo is that due to the individuality of people and the difficulty in production, it’s very difficult to get a socialist society to scale

2019-10-24 15:58:26 UTC  

Worker-coops and whatnot absolutely can work in a voluntarist way

2019-10-24 15:58:40 UTC  

But they don’t scale as well as top down models

2019-10-24 15:59:16 UTC  

Big business to be running sustainably requires a state and I'm talking about like multibillion-dollar businesses

2019-10-24 15:59:30 UTC  

Yes due to diseconomies of scale

2019-10-24 15:59:31 UTC  

I could see about adding some other channels for more Marx stuff if you want to post anything yourself besides in the lessons channel.

2019-10-24 15:59:32 UTC  

GG @Deleted User, you just advanced to level 5!

2019-10-24 16:01:50 UTC  

A more honest version of "capitalism cannot run without the state" or "capitalism requires the state" would be "mega corporations and capitalism as the world currently has cannot function without a state to back it"

2019-10-24 16:02:45 UTC  

Essentially.
I am opposed to intellectual property laws due to the support they give towards creating monopolies to begin with.

2019-10-24 16:02:57 UTC  

^

2019-10-24 16:03:21 UTC  

Well intellectual property abolitionist will be bad for big business it'll be good for the poor

2019-10-24 16:06:01 UTC  

Actually surprising to find a socialist who can see that the intellectual property is the result of state given privileges over certain companies, rather than what happens under a private company system.

2019-10-24 16:06:40 UTC  

Almost about as rare as finding someone who can see the u.s is oddly very regulated for a "free market" economy.

2019-10-24 16:09:04 UTC  

Oof

2019-10-24 16:10:09 UTC  

There are some good boomer jokes to be made of that.

2019-10-24 16:12:43 UTC  

Indeed

2019-10-24 16:28:59 UTC  

Government apologists claim it’s acceptable for a government to
do something that an individual would never be allowed to do. This
is why governments come up with special words to obscure what
they’re really doing. War is mass murder. If an individual commits
murder on their own, it is a crime and they should face consequences.
But if an individual commits murder as part of a massive organized
effort they might get a medal. Taxation is theft. If an individual
kidnaps you for not giving them half your income, they go to jail.
But if someone does that to you on behalf of government, they
get a nice salary as a tax collector. No justification for these actions
changes their fundamentally immoral nature. Nothing about the
“divine right of kings,” the “will of the people,” or the “rule of
law” has the power to justify an immoral act. Violent enforcers are
essential to governments because without them, their threats would
be meaningless.

2019-10-24 16:29:10 UTC  

I really liked this paragraph

2019-10-24 22:16:53 UTC  

>>> “The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual, crime.”
― Max Stirner

2019-10-25 00:10:38 UTC  

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2019-10-25 01:48:52 UTC  

>>> "History is governed by only two principles: the State and social revolution, revolution and counterrevolution, which can never be reconciled, and which are engaged in a death struggle. The State is the incarnation of crime. "The smallest and most inoffensive State is still criminal in its dreams." Therefore revolution is the incarnation of good. This struggle, which surpasses politics, is also the struggle of Luciferian principles against the divine principle. Bakunin explicitly reintroduces into rebellious action one of the themes of romantic rebellion." ― Camus, The Rebel

2019-10-25 03:19:33 UTC  

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2019-10-25 03:28:10 UTC  

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2019-10-25 03:28:18 UTC  

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2019-10-25 03:28:19 UTC  

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2019-10-25 03:29:30 UTC  

Hi

2019-10-25 03:30:03 UTC  

Sup

2019-10-25 03:30:24 UTC  

He's an okay person.

2019-10-25 03:30:29 UTC  

And trust worthy

2019-10-25 03:30:33 UTC  

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2019-10-25 03:30:40 UTC  

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2019-10-25 03:31:00 UTC  

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2019-10-25 03:31:26 UTC  

Lol define fine @neko the Ⓐ³narchist 😉😂😂

2019-10-25 03:31:48 UTC  

lol i can do that in a couple ways

2019-10-25 03:31:48 UTC  

GG @neko the Ⓐ³narchist, you just advanced to level 1!

2019-10-25 03:32:18 UTC  

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2019-10-25 03:32:21 UTC  

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