Message from @Goose
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if you have a moment
What's your opinion on EU?
@uncephalized you can answer too
Too big, too centralized. Suffering from some of the same ills the US has but failing faster because Europe writ large has less shared heritage than the vestiges of the US.
I don't understand it well enough to have a complete opinion, but the basic idea of a political association based on shared ethnolinguistic & religious heritage is not unreasonable, so long as it recognizes that the source of it's validity and it's necessary aims should be the aforementioned criteria.
And their preservation
I think there is a problem generally with trying to merge your political baskets too big. When we only have the one planet it's not a stable solution to have political entities the scale of whole continents.
Not at all
It's the too big to fail problem in the political sphere.
Solution. Populate Mars
how far are we going in ensuring cohesive "ethnolinguistic and religious heritage", and how small do you expect those groupings to be?
Populate lots of places, yes.
Planets are actually the worst places to start @Clive if we want to expand into space. I'm all about O'Neill cylinders.
Just fill up the solar system with trillions of people living in giant tubes. Much easier than terraforming.
Every region of the world will inevitably be unique. In Europe, a European is a fair-skinned Indo-European-speaking Christian, with limited though clearly delineated exeptions.
Is that like a Dyson sphere?
No. It's a cylindrical habitat miles across that rotates to provide artificial gravity.
"Fair-skinned" by global standards. I'm no anti-Med
So like a Dyson sphere
Although enough of them around the Sun would make a Dyson swarm
No, a Dyson sphere encapsulates a whole star.
thats fairly broad if we're trying to preserve heritage, no?
it seems like an arbitrary level to stop at
A single O'Neill cylinder is waaaaaaay tinier.
What's an O'Neill Cylinder?
The whole idea of a Dyson sphere as a single solid shell is unattainable anyway, we dont have materials that could do that.
Imagine living on the inside of a soda can in space.
oohh okay I've seen some of this
The can is about 20 miles across and it spins on its axis, so there is full gravity at ground level.
It can be pretty much as long as you want, but the diameter is limited by the strength of the shell material. Steel can do about 20 miles.
The 'sky' would be the land on the far side of the can, unless you put a smaller tube inside the bigger one to project a sky onto. But my guess is people would get used to the view pretty quickly.
Anyway it's much, much easier to control the conditions inside one of those than to terraform a whole planet.
Wow I really did break him, this is just getting pathetic now.
JIDF without a doubt
Plus because the gravity is produced by the spin, not by mass, you can make vastly more land area than a planet.
Like billions of times more if I remember correctly.
I gotta be honest, I'm a Christian but I don't believe it's abiblical to think we can expand off of the planet
So the solar system could house trillions of people.
And I used to be a full-blown Kurzweillian