Message from @yuma_8
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yeah, I've heard both
why not a million
again, @Clive , you're taking it too literally
You sure Blackstone came up with that? I remember reading that Frederick the Great said something like that.
it's usually attributed to him, at least, @scaevola
if we can't take it literally then we can't take it seriously
it's all allegorical then it lacks weight
but i don't think it lacks weight
You guys are right
It's referred to as both
i think the point of it is better ALL people guilty of anything go free than 1 innocent person get punished
no, that's not it at all
I mean, kind of
but the idea is foundational to America's judicial system
well you cant have it both ways, its either literal 10 or metaphorical X
it's essentially a fancy way of talking about presumption of innocence
If we're going by that standard then no justice system will ever suffice
like with kavanaugh, presumed innocent
let's just make it better and not rely on old quips and adages
Frederick the Great>Blackstone(not great)
The problem is that innocent man will be wrongly committed regardless if done by the State, or the individual. For example, let's say you let go a certain number of guilty men to hold consistent with not wrongly convicting anyone of Innocents. Those who are guilty could be let go, and then wrongly execute acts of malovence upon one or greater people among the populous.
And unfortunately this may not even be resolved through AI. It's a never ending process until proven otherwise.
From the wiki, "It is of more importance to the community that innocence should be protected, than it is, that guilt should be punished; for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world, that all of them cannot be punished....when innocence itself, is brought to the bar and condemned, especially to die, the subject will exclaim, 'it is immaterial to me whether I behave well or ill, for virtue itself is no security.' And if such a sentiment as this were to take hold in the mind of the subject that would be the end of all security whatsoever"
Quote by John Adams
founding fathers are so eloquent
Also the idea of throwing innocent people in jail, just to get the criminals sounds like sacrificing the individual for the society or the greater good so to speak. Thats how lefties talk.
That's how communists talk
I'm curious if there is a solution at all. If not for our justice system I'm sure individuals will take that burden onto themselves in place as a central dogma.
Ultimately violence is a constant of nature. It will never be resolved.
The solution is better technology used by police forces, which they can use to get more information at crime scences. More information= more information damning the guilty and more information proving the innocence of those not guilty
How many people have been treated like they deserved by the courts since the police started taking fingerprints?
Must have saved a lot of innocents and got many guilty people in prison.
CNN isn't behind a pay wall easier read....here comes a wallhttps://www.cnn.com/2019/07/26/politics/supreme-court-pentagon-border-wall-construction/index.html
UBlock Origin for the win.
I’m happy about this.