Message from @scaevola
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I dont understand it, even if the evidence is old, if you have new technologies that completely changes the value of the evidence is cant you treat it like new evidence? You definitely got new information out of it.
the idea behind it is the part that's important
I've never seen anyone literally take it as a 10:1 ratio
so it's like "forgive your brother not seven times but seventy-seven times?
the idea never to put an innocent person in jail even if that means letting criminals go
so the ratio is metaphorical
yep
yes
it's just referred to as "blackstone's ratio" because william blackstone is the guy that coined the phrase
it could have said better 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man be punished
i know
I believe that's Benjamin Franklin's version of it
it's just not feasible as a policy
But it *is* what informs policy
I thought it was Blackstone's Formulation?
why not 1000 guilty men?
At least that's how Tim refers to it
yeah, I've heard both
why not a million
again, @Clive , you're taking it too literally
You sure Blackstone came up with that? I remember reading that Frederick the Great said something like that.
it's usually attributed to him, at least, @scaevola
if we can't take it literally then we can't take it seriously
it's all allegorical then it lacks weight
but i don't think it lacks weight
You guys are right
It's referred to as both
i think the point of it is better ALL people guilty of anything go free than 1 innocent person get punished
no, that's not it at all
I mean, kind of
but the idea is foundational to America's judicial system
well you cant have it both ways, its either literal 10 or metaphorical X
it's essentially a fancy way of talking about presumption of innocence
If we're going by that standard then no justice system will ever suffice
like with kavanaugh, presumed innocent
let's just make it better and not rely on old quips and adages
Old quips and adages express a valuable idea
Frederick the Great>Blackstone(not great)
The problem is that innocent man will be wrongly committed regardless if done by the State, or the individual. For example, let's say you let go a certain number of guilty men to hold consistent with not wrongly convicting anyone of Innocents. Those who are guilty could be let go, and then wrongly execute acts of malovence upon one or greater people among the populous.
And unfortunately this may not even be resolved through AI. It's a never ending process until proven otherwise.