Message from @aguyyouknow

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2019-07-26 20:43:49 UTC  

sure but he would have been convicted if the DNA testing had been a thing back than

2019-07-26 20:44:12 UTC  

there was a lot of other evidence, just slightly not enough

2019-07-26 20:44:36 UTC  

and Im sure they tested more than once before publishing that story

2019-07-26 20:44:53 UTC  

Ah, yeah that sucks

2019-07-26 20:46:25 UTC  

it definitely sucks when that kind of thing happens, but... I'll always hold to Blackstone's Ratio

2019-07-26 20:46:39 UTC  

"it is better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer"

2019-07-26 20:46:41 UTC  

There's no easy way to skin the cat that is the death penalty, that's why I'm undecided

2019-07-26 20:46:57 UTC  

if they didn't have sufficient evidence at the time, they didn't have sufficient evidence at the time. It's awful when that kind of thing happens, but...

2019-07-26 20:47:39 UTC  

@aguyyouknow so as long as the wrongful convictions are less than 10% you are okay with it?

2019-07-26 20:48:00 UTC  

...are you trying to be humorous?

2019-07-26 20:48:03 UTC  

no

2019-07-26 20:48:05 UTC  

honest

2019-07-26 20:48:08 UTC  

blackstones ratio

2019-07-26 20:48:11 UTC  

10:1

2019-07-26 20:48:19 UTC  

I dont understand it, even if the evidence is old, if you have new technologies that completely changes the value of the evidence is cant you treat it like new evidence? You definitely got new information out of it.

2019-07-26 20:48:21 UTC  

the idea behind it is the part that's important

2019-07-26 20:48:39 UTC  

I've never seen anyone literally take it as a 10:1 ratio

2019-07-26 20:48:42 UTC  

so it's like "forgive your brother not seven times but seventy-seven times?

2019-07-26 20:49:02 UTC  

the idea never to put an innocent person in jail even if that means letting criminals go

2019-07-26 20:49:28 UTC  

so the ratio is metaphorical

2019-07-26 20:49:31 UTC  

yep

2019-07-26 20:49:32 UTC  

yes

2019-07-26 20:49:48 UTC  

it's just referred to as "blackstone's ratio" because william blackstone is the guy that coined the phrase

2019-07-26 20:49:49 UTC  

it could have said better 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man be punished

2019-07-26 20:49:55 UTC  

i know

2019-07-26 20:50:00 UTC  

I believe that's Benjamin Franklin's version of it

2019-07-26 20:50:04 UTC  

it's just not feasible as a policy

2019-07-26 20:50:23 UTC  

But it *is* what informs policy

2019-07-26 20:50:25 UTC  

I thought it was Blackstone's Formulation?

2019-07-26 20:50:28 UTC  

why not 1000 guilty men?

2019-07-26 20:50:30 UTC  

At least that's how Tim refers to it

2019-07-26 20:50:41 UTC  

yeah, I've heard both

2019-07-26 20:50:41 UTC  

why not a million

2019-07-26 20:50:53 UTC  

again, @Clive , you're taking it too literally

2019-07-26 20:50:54 UTC  

You sure Blackstone came up with that? I remember reading that Frederick the Great said something like that.

2019-07-26 20:51:08 UTC  

it's usually attributed to him, at least, @scaevola

2019-07-26 20:51:17 UTC  

if we can't take it literally then we can't take it seriously

2019-07-26 20:51:28 UTC  

it's all allegorical then it lacks weight

2019-07-26 20:51:33 UTC  

but i don't think it lacks weight

2019-07-26 20:51:59 UTC  

You guys are right