Message from @Clive

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2019-09-09 22:17:43 UTC  

I"M lost

2019-09-09 22:18:03 UTC  

I was going to make the point that a bunch of Japanese comics are self contained as well, but then I had names like JoJo and Berserk jump into my mind.

2019-09-09 22:18:09 UTC  

You have Peter Parker as spiderman for the most part since 1962

2019-09-09 22:18:30 UTC  

JoJo is like 8 separate stories with some limited carryover

2019-09-09 22:18:31 UTC  

I dont see what's wrong with 50+ years of peter parker as spiderman except that he hasn't aged 50 years

2019-09-09 22:18:43 UTC  

Berserk is just long hiatus bullshit

2019-09-09 22:19:07 UTC  

The fact that you have multiple writers and arcs for one character over that timeframe, and he's become an archetype

2019-09-09 22:19:27 UTC  

Eventually you will have run out of viable good ideas for a character and will have to delve into shit

2019-09-09 22:19:34 UTC  

It's the same issue with the fact that Bart Simpson has been a fourth grader for over thirty years.

2019-09-09 22:19:35 UTC  

fair enough

2019-09-09 22:20:57 UTC  

Characters need some sense of progression, or they just feel stale. Tbh I could see if SJ influence in comics had a lot to do with their desire to remix and subvert

2019-09-09 22:21:39 UTC  

Because they're honestly just performing milking motions next to a pile of dust at this point otherwise

2019-09-09 22:24:01 UTC  

That's honestly why I think JoJo works. Each character has an arc that completes, and then at most they'll be a supporting character later.

2019-09-09 22:24:14 UTC  

Sometimes they'll even just fucking die

2019-09-09 22:26:20 UTC  

you assume that the writer care about these characters in the same way or as much as the readers/audience. They dont. This a paycheck. They do what gets them the biggest and fastest paycheck. esp in American, I can't speak for weeb shit

2019-09-09 22:27:45 UTC  

also your first point works great for TV shows and films because they (Film > TV) have a definite start and end

2019-09-09 22:27:54 UTC  

Right but we're talking about quality

2019-09-09 22:28:05 UTC  

There are comics with a definitive end as well

2019-09-09 22:28:26 UTC  

DC and Marvel are just the Disney and Universal of comics though

2019-09-09 22:28:52 UTC  

Helps that Marvel is now literally Disney I'm sure

2019-09-09 22:29:11 UTC  

i know, but I'm saying don't expect the writers of anything you like to also like it and to write it as if they were a fan

2019-09-09 22:29:24 UTC  

Hm?

2019-09-09 22:29:49 UTC  

I dont want someone to write something as a fan, I want someone to write something that they're passionate about writing

2019-09-09 22:29:58 UTC  

If I wanted fan driven content I'd read fanfics

2019-09-09 22:30:36 UTC  

thats good to know

2019-09-09 22:31:49 UTC  

i guess my overarching point is, find something you like, and like it while its good, when it starts to suck, walk away and find something else.

2019-09-09 22:31:59 UTC  

That's how I do

2019-09-09 22:32:14 UTC  

Marvel was REALLY good for several decades and then 2012 hit and BAM all shit

2019-09-09 22:32:53 UTC  

most everything from Avengers Disassembled to Civil War I was great, after that it fell off

2019-09-09 22:33:04 UTC  

I blame Carl Manvers

2019-09-09 22:34:55 UTC  

unrelated, i haven't found any fiction that I like in any medium recently except video games

2019-09-09 22:35:09 UTC  

Disagree completely

2019-09-09 22:35:12 UTC  

how recent is recently?

2019-09-09 22:35:21 UTC  

It started with Mark Waid

2019-09-09 22:35:32 UTC  

The daredevil revamp

2019-09-09 22:36:53 UTC  

I've been enjoying the aforementioned Stormlight Archive and the Southern Reach Trilogy

2019-09-09 22:37:00 UTC  

As well as a few manga series

2019-09-09 22:37:24 UTC  

Namely Dungeon Meshi, Vinland Saga and Goblin Slayer

2019-09-09 22:39:49 UTC  

@A. Spader are you talking about the 2011 run? Cuz that's in the same time ballpark. Also mark waid is a baby

2019-09-09 22:40:10 UTC  

Inuyashiki was also real good

2019-09-09 22:40:44 UTC  

Idk whenever he took over daredevil