but I personally don't have an issue with saying "this is good quality but I dislike it" and "this is garbage quality but i love it"

but now we're off topic

Sure

So with capeshit, I think the biggest issue is that there isn't an end, and there's no longer any real consequences as a result. You can't really write for context

i dont know what you mean

Imagine if you had to keep continuing Hamlet

For another 80 years

do you mean, the civvies always rebuild the cities that get destroyed and bad guys never stay dead?

Nobody really stays dead, nobody really grows because their growth is writer dependent

Only when you have a spinoff do things have impact and then a few years later someone does a crossover

well if the character the writer creates makes him lots of money, he's not apt to change that character for fear of losing his paycheck

Wouldn't be an issue if everything wasn't written in perpetuity

explain?

Well, writing self contained stories and then coming up with new stories to tell works for novels, why not for comic books?

Peter Parker has been spiderman for the better part of a what, 50 year period? Almost 60?

There are self contained comics

They just dont stay self contained if the big names get ahold of the rights

That's what I mean.

I"M lost

I was going to make the point that a bunch of Japanese comics are self contained as well, but then I had names like JoJo and Berserk jump into my mind.

You have Peter Parker as spiderman for the most part since 1962

JoJo is like 8 separate stories with some limited carryover

I dont see what's wrong with 50+ years of peter parker as spiderman except that he hasn't aged 50 years

Berserk is just long hiatus bullshit

The fact that you have multiple writers and arcs for one character over that timeframe, and he's become an archetype

Eventually you will have run out of viable good ideas for a character and will have to delve into shit

It's the same issue with the fact that Bart Simpson has been a fourth grader for over thirty years.

fair enough

Characters need some sense of progression, or they just feel stale. Tbh I could see if SJ influence in comics had a lot to do with their desire to remix and subvert

Because they're honestly just performing milking motions next to a pile of dust at this point otherwise

That's honestly why I think JoJo works. Each character has an arc that completes, and then at most they'll be a supporting character later.

Sometimes they'll even just fucking die

you assume that the writer care about these characters in the same way or as much as the readers/audience. They dont. This a paycheck. They do what gets them the biggest and fastest paycheck. esp in American, I can't speak for weeb shit

also your first point works great for TV shows and films because they (Film > TV) have a definite start and end

Right but we're talking about quality

There are comics with a definitive end as well

DC and Marvel are just the Disney and Universal of comics though

Helps that Marvel is now literally Disney I'm sure

i know, but I'm saying don't expect the writers of anything you like to also like it and to write it as if they were a fan

Hm?

I dont want someone to write something as a fan, I want someone to write something that they're passionate about writing