not one other animal on the planet says, "I gotta establish myself as the uncontested predator of this valley before I have kids."

That's how several colleagues were. They had to bust their ass because of family. It was do or die.

^^^True story.

Compelling and rich.

My motivation was shitty work, primarily.

And whatever other external factors.

waiting to have kids is really just the selfish desire to focus only on yourself and have fun rather than be devoted to someone else

Eh, I think it can be misplaced ideas of what is the right thing to do.

It doesn't have to be selfishly motivated, it can be simply misguided.

To be fair, the dating scene is full of thots with cultural degeneracy.

Go to a church.

I'm not entering a relationship with a smooth brain.

sure misinformation plays a part, but it plays into selfish motives

Church could be an alternative.

people are naturally alligned to be selfish. you give them a hogwash reason for it, they'll bite

Yes the selfish motive is one of the tricks but it's also parents telling their young adult children that they'll be bad parents if they don't wait and get established first etc.

I've been surrounded by terrible parents, and life decisions.

I'm trying not to repeat their mistakes.

That kind of stuff sinks in when you get it from every angle.

terrible parents are the ones that dont put their kids first

they are only there for cosmetics

This is also true. People fail to recognize that once you have a child it is not about you solely anymore.

Thing is that being a good parent is not about making a lot of money, it's about how you treat your kids and what kind of moral example you set and that is irrespective of money.

There is an added layer of depth to this equation.

@uncephalized exactly

thinking the key to being a good parent is making sure you're rich first is mammon worship

Agreed, but I believe that many parents let lack of funding persuade them into making poor decisions, and this negatively paints their children as a result.

You should be financially stable, and emotionally mature.

Otherwise their stress will bleed.

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@[DGI]tech what are the Ben Shapiro says the best way to make it into the middle class is have a high school diploma a job and not have kids before you're married

Correct. I've seen plenty of his videos.

he didn't say dont be rich first

or be rich first

that's why I see it as a selfish out

Yeah and that is pretty sound advice, none of it requires a graduate degree or to wait to settle down until after 30.

@Deleted User you don't need to be rich to have a good family life