hell, just use any south american communist dictator from the last 50+ years as an example, and they'll probably be seen as a hero by a frightening number of people

"anti" facists

or, just in america, see the weather underground from the 70s

Is it a surprise progressives have no principles?

our previous president was buddies with one of the weather underground peeps too

even if both sides were to shoulder the weight of political violence

Yes, they’re both bad, But some people seem to have trouble grasping that fact. Many also seem to be unable to grasp the fact that not all “right wing” groups operate the same way or even share many of the same principles.

????

Neither do left wing groups. Some are bad, badder, worse, and the worst.

Like when “right wing” pro-liberty /American values groups get lumped in with hardcore ethnostate proponents. The two have largely opposing views but get lumped together for convenience by dishonest people like the guy in that video we’re talking about.

That would be my main contention - that these people are "right wing" at all

Same.

The ethnostate people love crap like the welfare state, they just want to make sure only people that look like them get it.

It shouldn’t be. When classical liberals are considered right wing, I think it’s a sign the Overton window is shifted way too far.

The political wing designations seem to exist to play a well poisoning game

Not for any genuine utility

hell the ethnostatists want gun control too, since only "certain" people deserve small arms in their view

Racists wanting to make sure blacks couldn't defend themselves is how the gun control movement got started.

The "far right" seems to have a lot of socialist environmentalists

facism was invented by a leftist as well, he considered it his own bend on socialism and the only right and proper version of it

pro-liberty? Galvin is hyper anti gay and trans

we can talk about this in voice chat on friday if you want but I gtg to bed

work tonight

*bruh*

> any pro-liberty group gets lumped in with ethnonationalists, that sucks
> But Gavin hates the gays!

*When you don't consider someone pro liberty unless they support convicted predators in drag reading to kids in public libraries*

Bad-faith assumptions all the way down

Trying to discuss anything with this guy is pointless

I was speaking in general terms about shady debate tactics, so it’s interesting you would make this specifically about Gavin for some reason. But on that note, while I’ve never followed him closely, I’ve never seen him advocate for outlawing being gay or trans or whatever or organizing people to use violence to prevent them from it.

I don't think I've ever seen him address the core of someone's statement.

It's like he's having a completely different conversation

well if you can't win the argument you're having win the argument you *want* to fight

I remember that one time where Gavin made out with Milo. Hilarious!

@Fondboy you can be against a lifestyle or believe a certain set behaviors is indicative of a mental disorder, without being against someone's right to behave in that way. It is only the authoritarian mindset that jumps from "thing X is bad" to "thing X must be outlawed".

Also, mentioning Gavin in a conversation about the Proud Boys is pretty pointless, because they are no longer associated.

If anyone is stressed out, I suggest the following
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI9YPcnVmYE

If....IF?

😝

Even if you're not stressed out, it's a good mix.

If you have children and your spouse isn’t a brain surgeon, you probably have a bit of stress

are you speaking from personal experience in brain surgery? 😆