If the have access to food then why do 15 million households have issues with obtaining food.

There is also programs for healthcare, specifically medicaid and obamacare yet they still push to change the system to be more inclusive

Fun fact: meal prepping is actually cheaper than buying out every meal, every day.

very true. especially when you try and get a good macro balance

BigTravis knows about BIG BALANCES

@Legalize has a very valid point; 25% of draftees in WWII were "initially rejected as unsuitable for service" for health reasons tracable to poor diet. (Plot twist; food stamps and school lunches were tied to *defense* spending.)

@[DGI]techbut it taste like shit. So . Checkmate.

Fresh food fo lyfe

@TheCompanyMan Meal prepping is fresh food!

Well, it should be.

Screw frozen nonsense besides frozen veggies.

His point is, its not fresh after he deals with it, because he sucks at making anything.

oof

Healthcare as a human right is a stupid idea.

Rather than mandate free healthcare, the govt just needs to de-regulate the shit out of it and allow our healthcare system to be an actual free market. Then prices will fall, and it's likely quality will only rise.

Then there is no need for healthcare for all.

Hell, when I was living in my car, I was opposed to "free" healthcare...

I'm saying I ain't re heating food. Cook it. Eat it then and there.

@DJ_Anuz all positive rights are nonsensical. Especially in a nation of millions where most people aren't close relatives. It implies that someone else has the legal and moral obligation to use their labor to support me, and I must use my labor to support them--and the lazier party always gets the better deal.

The only kinds of rights that make sense are the ones that stop someone else *doing* something to you against your will.

So we should all stop paying taxes?

Less of them, sure. The proper role of government is to ensure that people's negative rights are protected--protection from murder, theft etc.

And the military in a defensive role.

Those require taxes but far less than we have now.

I'm all for paying less taxes, but that's still an obligation for others to support others in the society they live in.

Also, we don't just have negative rights. Free speech for one.

How so? As written in the Constitution, it is a negative right

That is a negative right.

No one is obligated to help you speak.

It hasn't been static, it has been improved over the years since it was written in the Constitution.

They are only obligated to refrain from preventing you from speaking.

Where it really gets murky is the modern social media concept of the digital public square that is owned by private companies.

I'll grant that is a quagmire.

Its the governments job to insure our rights. If they are being eroded it needs to step in to protect them.
To what extent is the problem, i'm not a fan of government intervention if we can avoid it.

I agree, generally. I still maintain that the only rights that are sensible are negative ones, though.

In a *legal* sense.

In a moral-cultural framework there are of course social obligations that basically entail positive rights but those are to be enforced socially, not through law.

Killing hundreds of Iranians in retaliatory raids for the destruction of a drone is a sign of weakness not strength. Change my mind.

What if I don't want to change your mind because you are obviously right?

How about: Should adult transgender people be allowed to undergo surgery? We talk a lot a about individual rights and freedom, but if they are mentally ill they shouldnt be allowed to mutilate themselves, as other mentally ill people are not allowed to do that either. Im split on this as I dont really care what these people do, but if we are convinced that they are mentally ill why dont we treat them like it? Maybe that is the Libertarian Fascist in me.

Well, i did just get done changing your mind (a bit), on something @uncephalized :)

That means i win!

The truth always wins, Shadows.

I wonder how similar transgenderism is to those people that want to lose a limb, or blind themselves or something along those lines. I'm pretty sure that that is considered body dismorphia, same as feeling like you are the wrong sex, but we aren't saying that the only treatment for those people is to let them mutilate themselves.

@uncephalized No one's ever giving me a nickname before, i kind of like it.