one minute

Nuke the Government.

also when we're talking about liability insurance explain to me the legal ramifications of requiring insurance for cars but banning it for guns?

that is to say, what happens when lawsuits for wrongful death start to roll in?

On the gun free zones thing, as long as everything's categorized you could require a measure of training to carry in 'soft targets' that would be completely optional and subject to more oversight

it's far from perfect but that's probably your best play under the circumstances

Liability insurance is intrinsically racist; The idea of mandated LI for gun owners was ***ONLY*** meant to price blacks, hispanics, and asians out of the market.
I'll definitely consider that "soft target" issue...

Not in Mandatory Carry World

He is a binary thinker.

yes and no. If someone gets in a car wreck when with a senegalize illegal then the american citizen gets f---ed out of the money to buy a new car without insurance. More to the point in an at fault incident there is no way to cover the holpital bills without such provisions

that's the problem here

So if liability insurance is intrinsically racist because minorities are poor, why is it *not* racist to allow a paid exemption from carry @Mandatory Carry ?

@A. Spader
As to the liability insurance issue, I think I addressed that by *Limitations of liability* (section 17);
In short, if you can't be arrested, you can't be sued, either.

does that cover wrongful death/shooting though?

that's what I'm asking

*If you can't be arrested...*

So you're advocating abolishing the concept of wrongful death entirely?

Oh. Convicted, rather.

but who pays the attorney's fees?

criminal for the defendant, civil for both?

because the way our legal system without some way to pay for a decent attorney you're f---ed

Ok.
¿What is the issue? I don't understand.

I'm gonna through my $0.02 in the ring. I haven't read MC's stuff, but from what I've gathered in the comments it's a draft of a bill that would require everyone to own and carry a firearm. If someone doesn't follow the law they are penalized with a monthly fine. That sounds suspiciously like obamacare. If one doesn't have health insurance they are penalized on their taxes. I know because that happened to me. I'm guessing this would be implemented on the federal level. It rings like a top down law forcing citizens to do something that they may or may not want to do. Forget who said it but I guess you can get out of the carry by paying to the government a couple hundred a month? I know I sure as hell couldn't afford that. I'd have to buy a cheap ass pistol with dubious reliability to stay within the law. That brings up another question. How do you expect everyone to go out and buy a firearm. That's going to artificially drive up demand, driving up prices, and perhaps pricing some people out of the market. You could theoretically enforce price caps, but that is a problem in itself. Is the government going to provide everyone with a gun so they can stay within the law?

You got it in one Critter

You'd also have to buy a long arm, not just a pistol

btw

@CritterKiller
I'll send you the .docx...
That I refused to send to Leg for being a shithead.

So if liability insurance is intrinsically racist because minorities are poor, why is it *not* racist to allow a paid exemption from carry @Mandatory Carry ?

No, @Legalize.
@CritterKiller ***ASKED*** rather than ***TOLD ME*** what it said.
You didn't you just started lecturing ***AND*** insulting me from the start.

Mandatory Carry lecturing someone on lecturing and insulting. Precious.

that's the other problem I have. It's not one of law, it's that good people in the gun world like Mike Jones (youtube channel GarandThumb) ends every video with a plea for his audience to get training. That problem is gonna be multiplied 100x if this passed. The beauty of the current state of affairs is the people who self select wanting to carry have a built in incentive to learn, practice, and get good training. And even with that most people are woefully underprepared

Ok, @A. Spader, ¿do you have a suggestion, or are you just making assumptions like Legalize did?

Here it comes... "you're a liar" in 3... 2...

I am NOT in favor of stopping anyone based on what they can afford but the fact of the matter is that something as mundane as a negligent discharge can kill someone

When you have an idea or legitimate critism, tag me.

Negligent discharge is largely caused by lack of finger discipline, mental fortitude, or being a retard and Mexican Carrying off their belt.

See, ¿@uncephalized? *I* can keep my word.

Mexican Carrying. Sounds oddly suspicious like someone we know.

the point I am making is that gun culture is largely existing within the counterculture right now, and if you force everyone (most people) to carry, there is going to be not only serious pushback but lowest common denominator mentality

So if liability insurance is intrinsically racist because minorities are poor, why is it *not* racist to allow a paid exemption from carry @Mandatory Carry ?

Eliminate the lowest common denominator.