if we're talking about state mandated segregation we oppose that too

#letsDevolveBackToRaceWars

this anti-consequentialist thinking is so retarded for governing the real world

well it would be if all the pop of a state wanted no blacks in their restaurant

but I don't believe it should be illegal to refuse to buy or sell from *anyone*, for *any* reason, including racial prejudice, even though I would lose respect for someone who made that choice

its like these guys live in a deontological fairy land where their idealistic principles matter more than any consequences

yup

it's not anti-consequentialist, I understand that this would lead to real-world examples of discrimination and segregation. I also understand that it would not be a one-way street.

Green have you done the incest argument? I seems to trigger conservatives the most

then you are ignoring these consequences to keep your ideals in play

hence anti-consequentialist

nah

Ignoring is not the same as accepting as an unfortunate consequence of a more fundamental principle that in fact protects the rights of everyone, including the 'oppressed class'

dude, put it however you want. you're literally saying "fuck the consequences, i want to instill these rights anyway"

*thats anti-consequentialist*

you can put whatever label you want on my opinion, I gave you my reasons

its fairytale stuff

it truly is

but I suppose I generally prioritize means over ends, yes

and we have some of these people elected to congress

how fucked up

so if that makes me an anti-consequentialist, so be it

"too bad if my ideals kill 74 million people, so be it" - mao

and also you

except for the part where Mao was the one willing to justify any means to achieve his ends, liar

mao was trying to instill a MEANS

no, he was trying to create his utopia via whatever means seemed expedient

he wanted his own ideology implemented no matter what the cost

you are literally making my point for me

ideology != good results for humanity

you're stuck to your ideology

as was mao

as are you

you don't think you have one?

my thought processes are influenced by consequences, you have admitted that yours arent

sure they are

OH SHIT

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no, I have admitted that I am willing to accept some negative consequences in favor of more important positive ones

also known as "compromise"

you didnt say you thought you would get positive consequences at all, you just added that on right now you snake