Message from @JonPizza
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@Fondboy are you saying that mental wellbeing is not a component of wellbeing?
did you listen to my call in?
No, I was commuting
she told me that surveys of well being are not as accurate as suicide rates
for well being
it is a component
but a horrible predictor
I would say that if you say you're doing fine and kill yourself, you probably werent doing so fine. It depends on what the data shows
this data shows an increase of well being
a meta analysis of 73 studies
she hand waved it
Because it's not a neutral source
uh
"The What We Know Project has recently moved to the Center for the Study of Inequality at Cornell University. We are an online research portal that marks a path-breaking convergence of scholarship, public policy and new media technology. Focusing on public policy debates around inequality"
Do you have studies made by computers?
They had their conclusion before their 'metastudy'
And since a metastudy is making a claim about what the research shows, not actual research...
yeah all of those are summaries
@JonPizza Well, the accuracy of a meta study is dependent on the accuracy of all the other studies cited. If each of the 73 studies cited are evaluated and show signs of being fundamentally flawed, then the conclusion of the meta study is completely bunk
Are you looking at these summaries? First one 'survey via the Internet and on paper", second 'non randomized sample' third '22 participants'
Based on Fondest's history of misinterpreting studies and general sleazyness, I doubt this meta study is actually accurate.
'metastudies' aren't more than whatever the person doing it wants to say, they picked what went in after all
It's as unscientific as you get because you start with the conclusion, not the question
No. Not always. Meta studies can be useful to compile the results of studies.
Nobody who understands what's going on claims that a meta study is deliberately a scientific study.
Also my study doesn't matter. Actions are morally neutral and you need to give a reason why something is bad, so she had burden of proof for suicide rates which I instantly explained was miscited
Oh please. shifting the goal posts
>actions are morally neutral
Thoughts on Hate crimes then?
Yeah, I can't grok it
Also, how often does 'was a transgender' get checked in the suicide report
Can anyone really have this number?
The citation you give is actually like 96 citations, of which I've already found a handful that dont support the claims made by the metastudy, but much of the info is paywalled
The metastudy doesn't even give a wellbeing definition
The burden of proof is on the people advocating irreversible surgeries
okay, so listening to the segment in question, there's some more misleading language used here
the conversation turned to transitioning *children* which your metastudy explicitly excludes
the data on children is *very* different
According to what he said on the call, the definition of 'well being' is answering yes when someone asks if you are okay.
That he can't figure out why that is laughable is legitimately concerning.