Message from @DJ_Anuz
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Plus close to 100% of society never accepted Christ in their life.
So what?
Okay yeah. If I create a living being and torture it eternally, I think that would make me a shitty creator.
Why is God obligated to catering to your sensibilities
If you don't think that's bad, we'll never agree.
"do unto others as you would have done into you"
So God is immoral for reasons you can’t justify
I think guaranteed eternal suffering contradicts that.
Unless God is a masochist.
Why is it guaranteed
God is omnipotent, how are there things he cannot change?
short of it being a contradictory request, it's within his power, no?
If you were born a cananite. You are guaranteed to have been killed by the Jews before you could repent or accept Christ.
"0 iThe times of ignorance jGod overlooked, but know he lcommands all people everywhere to repent, "acts 17:30
Or just die without ever hearing about him.
sorry for the footnotes
So then there is repentance after death?
Okay so your point is God can't exist because people get tortured at birth?
No
Because people die before they can do what he says?
Pretty much any offshoot of Catholicism I cannot get behind.
eternal suffering is the fate of chosing to be far from God,
It's not His punishment
When do you choose?
Does it have to be in this life?
Yes
Then the cananites were never given that choice
unless you believe in purgatory
evangelical denominations do not
read the verse with the annoying foot notes
"The times of ignorance God overlooked, but know he commands all people everywhere to repent" acts 17:30
So then if you never heard of Christ you are held to a different standard?
I would say so
So, forgetting the cananites for now, what about people that were born after Christ died but couldn't have heard of him (i.e American indians, Japan etc)
but that is way out of my league
My take is that evolution is God's game. Just as natural selection winnows the gene pool, spiritual selection winnows the 'spirit pool'. God is He who selects. And I presume He is selecting us *for* some greater purpose.
"Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit."
Not exactly apropos of the exact discussion I guess.
@ThePortugueseGuy that is reasonable.
@uncephalized does that mean our soul or consciousness exist before God?
Or does he intentionally make us to fail?
But even that way is the blood of Christ over their lives that saves.