what if he did and all he does is make sure people hate their lives

torture us

Make us hate our lives? Did he compel Adam to eat the fruit? Did he compel eve to lie about his commandment?

@DJ_Anuz well I think all my exercise on Sunday was irrelevant because you just dismissed what I said (steel man about God being the same with the same morality) and kept pushing without trying to refute.

You even said that what I was saying made sense.

The existence of an argument doesn't necessitate agreement with that argument. It can even be internally consistent and still disagreeable

Do you reset your thoughts when you go to sleep. Like that girl in the Adam Sandler movie

@A. Spader fucking Eve dude... smdh

are today's Christian morals based off of god's word?

Depends on the christian

That is a giant debate in and of itself lol

Cause I see a lot of christians claiming that Jesus was the worlds first socialist

He did make a breadline

what DJ said about today's christian standard of morals being different than it used to be seems to be completely accurate?

It depends on what you mean by "morals".

@ThePortugueseGuy the problem is that my steel man argument contradicts the majority of Christian sects doctrinally.

but i'm completely uneducated about the religion and don't actually give a shit about the outcome of this argument

My didn't so try to refute that one

but it seemed to make sense, what dj said

@ThePortugueseGuy it still doesn't make God a consistent standard for morality if he adjusts the morals to fit what standards his chosen people would be willing to accept.

Jesus encouraged people to give to others what they could afford to give, even if it was inconvenient, but he said to give freely, not at the point of a sword.

Oh man I almost cried today in public because I was watching Matts and Blonde showing the clip of the brother of the dude who got shot in his own apartment.
If anyone is nailing the "live with Christ", he 100% is

@Gunner Fox so capitalistic charity?

I never said that. You did. and I said you are so far from the point I not even sure that is a point. and gave you the evangelical framework.

when did he say that

@ThePortugueseGuy there are tons of Evangelicals that would disagree with you though.

Matt plays I doub't it

If you're theological framework makes it justified then that's fine. My question was geared towards those who don't.

Yes i guess that's capitalistic? He didn't say to _force_ others to give away what they earned.

Yeah. It has to be voluntary, if the govt controls the means of production, no one actually owns anything and therefore can't willingly give what they don't have.

Jesus's teachings cannot work under socialism.

If you arent doing something voluntarily, then what does it actually mean?

That you're doing it involuntarily :^)

That whoever is forcing you to do something should be responsible for that something

God only need one reason why what He does is not unfair. He doesn't need that every explanation of everyone that claims to be Christian to be right

Although, so that @Legalize doesn't think I'm making a moral argument, that would be true only for people that hold certain moral standards. /S 😄

Oh wow you're still arguing this lol

Also looking back over your "steel man", @ThePortugueseGuy , it raises probably more questions than it answers. Like, for instance, why did God go from one who can create, destroy etc on a whim, to someone who continues to be able to do that, but must wait for humanity to set things just right?

Oh this debate will go on until someone changes the subject. I guarantee it
However it's probably the best debate topic we'll get here

Okay okay

Real question