Message from @Pnakotus
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He just posted a new video responding to some of the things Sam Harris said on Dave Rubin, and I felt like talking about it
i usually watch his shows that he posts
When he's good he's ok....
Well I definitely endorse the work he does and all that but his last couple of videos really rubbed me the wrong way
Rubin or Benjamin?
in what way?
Benjamin
Well it is kind of complicated but basically he talks about religion in this video and its "necessity" but I really don't like his arguments
what kind of religion does he talk about?
isn't he jewish?
is he?? I figured he's Christian
He just talks about it in general, responding to Sam Harris basically saying that religion isn't a necessary causal factor for morality
mhh
just ignore religious part, then
there is not much you can do
well I'm interested in engaging in the conversation about it but I felt really weird about the way he structured his arguments
I haven't watched the video, but I do think that religion plays/played a big part in the formation of morality
so you have nothing against religion, you are just troubled by the quality of his arguments?
I have nothing against religion, but I also don't think it's fair to say that atheism is immoral because you need religion in order to have morality
There is truth to that
Not saying that religion is 100%, but it certainly is a good chunk
Ok but even accepting that fact, I can easily come up for a logical way for an objective morality to come about without the involvement of religion
There have been 5000 years of Abrahamic religion
okay 5000 years
sorry
should have said Christian 😛
i think religion played as an important role as farming did
10000 years
farming? never heard that one
now you have
i just broke your conditioning
Ok, so how farming?
if we were hunter gathers i think we would have different religion.
ya know food
at least that's my hypothesis
when an excess of food became avalible (farming) the oppertunity to persue other goals became present
well I guess I can see it.
religion in my mind is a product of civilization
if youre living with a few others, in a tight knit group, there isn't a need for ritual or belief to keep the cohesion
Farming means relying on each other for food > We must rely on each other to survive > Logically must come up with a morality that fosters group survival