Watching it right after this

Cotton picked from machines and not a groups of chocolate Americans

grats!

there are still many of us who haven't, don't be sad

grats on the incoming kid!

Rubin or Benjamin?

I haven't watched the video, but I do think that religion plays/played a big part in the formation of morality

There is truth to that

but there have also been 2000 years of Abrahamic religion shaping thought in the West

Not saying that religion is 100%, but it certainly is a good chunk

okay 5000 years

sorry

should have said Christian 😛

religion in my mind is a product of civilization

if youre living with a few others, in a tight knit group, there isn't a need for ritual or belief to keep the cohesion

The larger the group, the more you need a common factor to keep everyone in line

i should ask what you consider a typical hunter/gatherer group size to be?

hmm I take back my opinion then

I can see how religion can form even in small groups

I agree

shamanism too

birds lack a concept of belief

I think it's to help facilitate meaning in order to make life worthwhile

or perhaps each tree is a lesser spirit under the guidance of a forest god

misunderstood?

gotcha

and religion does require worship

but do the birds actively worship a rain god in hopes he will grant them a blessing?

yeah beliefs and religion are not genetic

it would be a behavioral adaptation

a lot of what drives animals to do what they do is instinct

instinct

its like salmon spawning season

religion requires the ability to abstract

yeah thats instinct

well we cant study thought

or consciousness

I think the desire to believe in something greater is ingrained in humanity. Thats why Nietzsche said that with the death of god, humanity needs to find it's own purpose

consciousness is not the same as instinct

but how do you know the birds believe in a rain god

perhaps is the god of harvest?

how can we prove that birds know the rain is what causes the worms to rise?

maybe they just take advantage of the situation

yeah and there is no need for belief for that to be true

there is no evidence that birds teach each other things

bird parents do not teach a fledgling to fly

Birds dont have a concept of behavior

they know parents, self, children, and others

knowledge is not passed down

but the flock does not teach

the flock is there for instinctual reasons

religion requires belief in a god or gods, there is no way to prove that birds believe in a god or gods, let alone if they can even conceptualize what a god is

belief in a greatest good could be considered religion

but that requires belief

im not talking about birds

again, religion and belief are purly human conceptions

but heirarchies aren't beliefs

heirarchies are social status

and social species have been around for millenia

you cannot say there are heriarchies in sponges

no heriarchies do not require belief

you are a small wolf, there are other wolves but they are all larger

therefore you are bottom wolf

no belief necessary

there is no belief behind knowing one is better than another

how about a 200m race

5 people run it and they all come in different places

this is a heirarchy

animals dont necessarily choose

they instinctually go for whoever is at the top of the heirarchy

hyenas dont need to run

they rely on packs and strong jaws to get a kill

it would be like saying cheetahs choose speed over strength

they dont choose it, it's the attribute they find most appealing

no because there is no belief behind it

thats etomology

i fail to see the connection

and a jellyfish isn't actually a fish

you are arguing semantics

no

no its not

no its not

religion is the belief in gods or god

if an animal falls ill, does it believe demons have infected it?

birds dont think

no they dont

birds do not think

they act on instinct

a bird doesn't go, I'm going to wake up in the morning and sing, then I'll get some food and sing some more

have you been drinking?

wait, who said anything about being conservative

I'm a purple haired SJW that identifies as a toaster and youve just triggered me

i stopped watching her and armoured back in the whole candid debaucle

there was a social media app that was all about free speech and they gave paid sponsorships to those who would talk good things

turns out candid was censoring and stuff

but armoured and shoe defended it

I had been losing interest in Armoured at the time anyway

and I didn't care for shoe to begin with, although I love her patriarchy skit with the Trump mask

I was when I was in high school

lmao poor guy 😛