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anyone else watch Owen Benjamin on youtube?

I try to, but with two jobs, I can't add two more hours into each day

i used to, kinda

He just posted a new video responding to some of the things Sam Harris said on Dave Rubin, and I felt like talking about it

i usually watch his shows that he posts

When he's good he's ok....

Well I definitely endorse the work he does and all that but his last couple of videos really rubbed me the wrong way

Rubin or Benjamin?

in what way?

Benjamin

Well it is kind of complicated but basically he talks about religion in this video and its "necessity" but I really don't like his arguments

what kind of religion does he talk about?

isn't he jewish?

is he?? I figured he's Christian

He just talks about it in general, responding to Sam Harris basically saying that religion isn't a necessary causal factor for morality

mhh

just ignore religious part, then

there is not much you can do

well I'm interested in engaging in the conversation about it but I felt really weird about the way he structured his arguments

I haven't watched the video, but I do think that religion plays/played a big part in the formation of morality

so you have nothing against religion, you are just troubled by the quality of his arguments?

I have nothing against religion, but I also don't think it's fair to say that atheism is immoral because you need religion in order to have morality

There is truth to that

but there have also been 2000 years of Abrahamic religion shaping thought in the West

Not saying that religion is 100%, but it certainly is a good chunk

Ok but even accepting that fact, I can easily come up for a logical way for an objective morality to come about without the involvement of religion

There have been 5000 years of Abrahamic religion

okay 5000 years

sorry

should have said Christian 😛

i think religion played as an important role as farming did

10000 years

farming? never heard that one

now you have

i just broke your conditioning

Ok, so how farming?

if we were hunter gathers i think we would have different religion.

ya know food