they did work

so because traditional family values died and we have a postmodern shithole society, the latter is good and the former is bad?

It depends on a lot more than those attributes, I'd agree

Like the notion that something is untrue because people stopped believing it in large enough numbers sets you up for a lot of awkward positions

Its the pre stream not working for anyone else?

@Beemann being raised in a traditional family doesn’t automatically make a better person. Predicting people isn’t like dropping a rock.

And Islamists often make the case that their religion is growing greater than Christianity, thus Islam is true. So I'm not lost on that

@RoadtoDawn how does that work?

no, but clearly it's a "less true" system, on the level of the Greek pantheon no?

Truth of that is, islamists force their women to stay home. they have nothing to do, so they make babies. lots of babies

and when Greece was doing well, was it temporarily true?

or is truth just something we find out retroactively?

so many babies that are forced to believe the same religion

that too

if Islam overtakes Christianity, was it true all along? Will you renounce your faith?

That gets back to what I was saying about number of adherents. Not everyone converts, but the numbers for conversions are astounding.

doesnt equate to proof

Logically, of course

@Commissar_Farari which part?

Math works regardless of how many people believe or disbelieve

And Islamists often make the case that their religion is growing greater than Christianity, thus Islam is true. So I'm not lost on that
This one

@Beemann its a predictive model. That doesn’t imply proof. It’s still evidence though.

no, it's not a predictive model lol

people believing a thing is true doesnt make it true

People disbelieving something doesn’t make it untrue either.

I never made a comment on belief or disbelief being evidence for/against something

other than to point out that it isnt a valid model

@Commissar_Farari What's the actual question you have?

I'll try to elaborate if you want, for when you come back

The premise is according to muslims: islam is spreading to the entire world, and it is growing faster than all other religions, therefore it is true. But if we were to take two opposing ideas and observe that one idea has more popularity, we can't say that the more popular one is objectively correct while the other is false. That is an argumentum ad populum, an appeal to popularity.

Islam is only growing because muslims have more children than those of other religions, or the religious unaffiliated. They have several more children on average than others.

Breeding like rabbits

Multiple wives and welfare states tend to encourage that

Women don't have any opportunities in their countries. they do much less than women of other religions. They're at home all day, and so they have lots of kids.
And apostasy. Once you enter the religion, you don't leave the religion

With Christianity, people leave with no consequence (unless they live in some cult-like family, I suppose)

Under penalty of death too Lel

(and well, other consequences that they may have when they die, naturally)

Yeah

The more you read into Islam, the more you see just how insecure they are about their religion and faith

They just can't get over it when you challenge them

And it becomes absurd by the second when they throw fallacy after fallacy after you, or make stuff up as they go