Message from @RoadtoDawn
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sure, if you have a process to revive people that is repeatable and observable, let me know
you'll upend the medical community overnight
You just assume a model doesn’t exist because you don’t have the means to test it.
no, I'm asking you to prove a model exists, because otherwise you cant disbelieve anything
Revivals also refer to people coming back faith. Should have clarified
this gets back to the "how do you know it wasnt just Zeus"
That's the problem with induction, if we're being logically consistent. We can't actually prove that the experiment happened exactly the way you described. Materially it probably did, but if we're making a claim about objective reality, it's impossible (and irrelevant)
Even following this logic, you're making a transcendental argument
"If we're making a claim about objective reality"
The model predicts regardless of belief
@Beemann because Greek mythology died.
people did not initially believe Quantum Physics worked
they did work
so because traditional family values died and we have a postmodern shithole society, the latter is good and the former is bad?
It depends on a lot more than those attributes, I'd agree
Like the notion that something is untrue because people stopped believing it in large enough numbers sets you up for a lot of awkward positions
Its the pre stream not working for anyone else?
@Beemann being raised in a traditional family doesn’t automatically make a better person. Predicting people isn’t like dropping a rock.
And Islamists often make the case that their religion is growing greater than Christianity, thus Islam is true. So I'm not lost on that
@RoadtoDawn how does that work?
no, but clearly it's a "less true" system, on the level of the Greek pantheon no?
Truth of that is, islamists force their women to stay home. they have nothing to do, so they make babies. lots of babies
and when Greece was doing well, was it temporarily true?
or is truth just something we find out retroactively?
so many babies that are forced to believe the same religion
that too
if Islam overtakes Christianity, was it true all along? Will you renounce your faith?
That gets back to what I was saying about number of adherents. Not everyone converts, but the numbers for conversions are astounding.
doesnt equate to proof
Logically, of course
@Commissar_Farari which part?
Math works regardless of how many people believe or disbelieve
And Islamists often make the case that their religion is growing greater than Christianity, thus Islam is true. So I'm not lost on that
This one
@Beemann its a predictive model. That doesn’t imply proof. It’s still evidence though.
no, it's not a predictive model lol
people believing a thing is true doesnt make it true
People disbelieving something doesn’t make it untrue either.
I never made a comment on belief or disbelief being evidence for/against something
other than to point out that it isnt a valid model
@Commissar_Farari What's the actual question you have?
I'll try to elaborate if you want, for when you come back
The premise is according to muslims: islam is spreading to the entire world, and it is growing faster than all other religions, therefore it is true. But if we were to take two opposing ideas and observe that one idea has more popularity, we can't say that the more popular one is objectively correct while the other is false. That is an argumentum ad populum, an appeal to popularity.