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or is truth just something we find out retroactively?
so many babies that are forced to believe the same religion
that too
if Islam overtakes Christianity, was it true all along? Will you renounce your faith?
That gets back to what I was saying about number of adherents. Not everyone converts, but the numbers for conversions are astounding.
doesnt equate to proof
Logically, of course
@Commissar_Farari which part?
Math works regardless of how many people believe or disbelieve
And Islamists often make the case that their religion is growing greater than Christianity, thus Islam is true. So I'm not lost on that
This one
@Beemann its a predictive model. That doesn’t imply proof. It’s still evidence though.
no, it's not a predictive model lol
people believing a thing is true doesnt make it true
People disbelieving something doesn’t make it untrue either.
I never made a comment on belief or disbelief being evidence for/against something
other than to point out that it isnt a valid model
@Commissar_Farari What's the actual question you have?
I'll try to elaborate if you want, for when you come back
The premise is according to muslims: islam is spreading to the entire world, and it is growing faster than all other religions, therefore it is true. But if we were to take two opposing ideas and observe that one idea has more popularity, we can't say that the more popular one is objectively correct while the other is false. That is an argumentum ad populum, an appeal to popularity.
Islam is only growing because muslims have more children than those of other religions, or the religious unaffiliated. They have several more children on average than others.
Multiple wives and welfare states tend to encourage that
Women don't have any opportunities in their countries. they do much less than women of other religions. They're at home all day, and so they have lots of kids.
And apostasy. Once you enter the religion, you don't leave the religion
With Christianity, people leave with no consequence (unless they live in some cult-like family, I suppose)
Under penalty of death too Lel
(and well, other consequences that they may have when they die, naturally)
Yeah
The more you read into Islam, the more you see just how insecure they are about their religion and faith
They just can't get over it when you challenge them
And it becomes absurd by the second when they throw fallacy after fallacy after you, or make stuff up as they go
#notallmuslims lel
is there a stream?
in about 48 minutes, yeah
Gotta love that daylight savings lol
@RoadtoDawn I don’t think it’s really as simple as ad populum.
@Salacious Swanky Cat What i said earlier i was just being funny, but i also believe that atheism is defensible (you said you don't think it is), as i think everything a person "believes" needs to be challenged. The other thing you said (which is true), that not everyone has all info on a topic/issue so flaws can form.
But I'm Flawless!
*unless i'm not*
@RoadtoDawn it’s that insecurity which I find tragically hilarious
The problem with finding it necessary to challenge everything is, you become an autistic skeptic on everything
Everything about its doctrines rely on turning someone into a yesman