no, thats not what I suggested

I'm saying for something to be a predictive model, you need to be able to replicate the results and have the same thing happen

so I drop a rock, I predict it will fall, it falls. As long as I'm dropping that rock on earth, it will fall

Like revivals happening?

I have a model that states exactly how fast the rock will fall

sure, if you have a process to revive people that is repeatable and observable, let me know

you'll upend the medical community overnight

You just assume a model doesn’t exist because you don’t have the means to test it.

no, I'm asking you to prove a model exists, because otherwise you cant disbelieve anything

Revivals also refer to people coming back faith. Should have clarified

this gets back to the "how do you know it wasnt just Zeus"

That's the problem with induction, if we're being logically consistent. We can't actually prove that the experiment happened exactly the way you described. Materially it probably did, but if we're making a claim about objective reality, it's impossible (and irrelevant)

Even following this logic, you're making a transcendental argument

"If we're making a claim about objective reality"
The model predicts regardless of belief

@Beemann because Greek mythology died.

people did not initially believe Quantum Physics worked

they did work

so because traditional family values died and we have a postmodern shithole society, the latter is good and the former is bad?

It depends on a lot more than those attributes, I'd agree

Like the notion that something is untrue because people stopped believing it in large enough numbers sets you up for a lot of awkward positions

Its the pre stream not working for anyone else?

@Beemann being raised in a traditional family doesn’t automatically make a better person. Predicting people isn’t like dropping a rock.

And Islamists often make the case that their religion is growing greater than Christianity, thus Islam is true. So I'm not lost on that

@RoadtoDawn how does that work?

no, but clearly it's a "less true" system, on the level of the Greek pantheon no?

Truth of that is, islamists force their women to stay home. they have nothing to do, so they make babies. lots of babies

and when Greece was doing well, was it temporarily true?

or is truth just something we find out retroactively?

so many babies that are forced to believe the same religion

that too

if Islam overtakes Christianity, was it true all along? Will you renounce your faith?

That gets back to what I was saying about number of adherents. Not everyone converts, but the numbers for conversions are astounding.

doesnt equate to proof

Logically, of course

@Commissar_Farari which part?

Math works regardless of how many people believe or disbelieve

And Islamists often make the case that their religion is growing greater than Christianity, thus Islam is true. So I'm not lost on that
This one

@Beemann its a predictive model. That doesn’t imply proof. It’s still evidence though.

no, it's not a predictive model lol

people believing a thing is true doesnt make it true

People disbelieving something doesn’t make it untrue either.