or worse...down

I'm so sick of the idea of separation of church and state being about just protecting the state from the church. To quote a Swede "They really got their grip on power, they exterminated the Swedish state church, so they basically killed God and replaced him with the Social Democratic Party. That's why for most Swedes, Social Democracy is more of a religion than an actual political philosophy. "

Be man, it sounds as if you’re looking for a perfect solution. That isn’t going to happen. I’m not saying that religion is always going to work for every single individual. The reason why is because people are sinful by nature. What that means is that they’re going to make poor decisions and stray away from the truth. Nobody is immune to it. That doesn’t make religion invalid.

Separation of church and state goes both ways
I'm not looking for a perfect solution, I'm saying there isn't a singular solution

As someone who is not religious. I do not think society is ready to move beyond religion yet. Some people are and that's fine. but we need a movement that keeps the values like individualism alive as society becomes more secular.

This is kind of thing about questioning why the fence is there before tearing it out.

Sounds like you're advocating for another Billy Graham era

The fence is already torn down. I don't think people are going to be happy with you gluing the splinters back together

We do need a revival. 😃

By the way, apparently Brett Weinstein and Richard Dawkins had a discussion about religion and its role in society. Does anyone know if they put of video of it yet?

I'm a fan of Theodemocracy

Sounds like thermodynamics

You're also a dirty Keynesian tho

Are you advocating ovens there mate

@Beemann <3

Brett Weinstein actually argues that religion is a natural cultural evolution and has things society needs.

or something like that

@Beemann Who's the Keynesian? Should they get a free helicopter ride?

Cats is

She’s a heretic >: (

Harris argues that spirituality and cultural cohesiveness are needed, but not the metaphysical

That's the thing though, I think society needs a sort of secular blueprint for general cohesiveness now that a lot of the traditional methods have been torn down

It’s really curious that humans evolved with the need for spirituality. I wonder why that happened?🤔 Totally by chance.

And that's been my motivation in the manhood ritual discussions as well, fwiw

Well Harris would define spirituality very specifically

And use it to refer to, for instance, the feeling you get when you look at a work of art

Harris is also a socialist cunt

Nobody's perfect

Fair

Hitchens loved Trotsky for a while

Even Dershowitz voted for the Hildabeast

Dawkins just devolved into a screaming retard though

He’s basically the blueprint for every “militant atheist” out there

Which is unfortunate

Dawkins is probably struggling with a lot of stress. I don't know that he had a retreat after the left exiled him

Harris does, Hitchens did and also died

And yet he still shills for that shit

Also gun control

The guy just loves him some government boots on his face

It’s like proving grants pointe🤔

Hitchens and Harris didn't need religion though, so what does that prove exactly?