You're also a dirty Keynesian tho

Are you advocating ovens there mate

@Beemann <3

Brett Weinstein actually argues that religion is a natural cultural evolution and has things society needs.

or something like that

@Beemann Who's the Keynesian? Should they get a free helicopter ride?

Cats is

She’s a heretic >: (

Harris argues that spirituality and cultural cohesiveness are needed, but not the metaphysical

That's the thing though, I think society needs a sort of secular blueprint for general cohesiveness now that a lot of the traditional methods have been torn down

It’s really curious that humans evolved with the need for spirituality. I wonder why that happened?🤔 Totally by chance.

And that's been my motivation in the manhood ritual discussions as well, fwiw

Well Harris would define spirituality very specifically

And use it to refer to, for instance, the feeling you get when you look at a work of art

Harris is also a socialist cunt

Nobody's perfect

Fair

Hitchens loved Trotsky for a while

Even Dershowitz voted for the Hildabeast

Dawkins just devolved into a screaming retard though

He’s basically the blueprint for every “militant atheist” out there

Which is unfortunate

Dawkins is probably struggling with a lot of stress. I don't know that he had a retreat after the left exiled him

Harris does, Hitchens did and also died

And yet he still shills for that shit

Also gun control

The guy just loves him some government boots on his face

It’s like proving grants pointe🤔

Hitchens and Harris didn't need religion though, so what does that prove exactly?

They claim to not need religion. That doesn’t make their assertions correct.

Que? Do you have proof that Hitchens needed Jesus all along?

In the absence of these traditional religions people do not form a secular community substitute for church and temples. they tend to move those things to government. That's why I said secular people need to make a movement. otherwise we're clearly not ready to move one yet as a whole.

The blueprint is there. Peterson has been borrowing it

Nietzsche my dude

Hitchens knows the answer that question now doesn’t he? LOL

Doesn't Peterson basically keep religion around though?

It's over half of what Peterson uses for his talks

Peterson is in a weird state where to him God is Order and he acts as though God exists and considers that sufficient

I would argue that it is impossible to establish a solid foundation for a secular replacement for religion. It’s just not gonna work.

Why is that?

I think Jordan Peterson makes the point "I behave like God exists."