It sounds like the argument is whether or not to impose a spiritual discipline to a spiritless society

My point was people distracted by milquetoast religion tend not to worship the state.

I'm not sure that it stays milquetoast when given more influence

in the absence of religion people tend to start worshiping the state

Something proven to be far worse

That’s one of the reasons why the Soviets tried to remove religion from the Russians.

And Nazi plans for after the war

Hell, they made a nazi Protestant church

When people stop looking up, the only place they can look is around.

or worse...down

I'm so sick of the idea of separation of church and state being about just protecting the state from the church. To quote a Swede "They really got their grip on power, they exterminated the Swedish state church, so they basically killed God and replaced him with the Social Democratic Party. That's why for most Swedes, Social Democracy is more of a religion than an actual political philosophy. "

Be man, it sounds as if you’re looking for a perfect solution. That isn’t going to happen. I’m not saying that religion is always going to work for every single individual. The reason why is because people are sinful by nature. What that means is that they’re going to make poor decisions and stray away from the truth. Nobody is immune to it. That doesn’t make religion invalid.

Separation of church and state goes both ways
I'm not looking for a perfect solution, I'm saying there isn't a singular solution

As someone who is not religious. I do not think society is ready to move beyond religion yet. Some people are and that's fine. but we need a movement that keeps the values like individualism alive as society becomes more secular.

This is kind of thing about questioning why the fence is there before tearing it out.

Sounds like you're advocating for another Billy Graham era

The fence is already torn down. I don't think people are going to be happy with you gluing the splinters back together

We do need a revival. 😃

By the way, apparently Brett Weinstein and Richard Dawkins had a discussion about religion and its role in society. Does anyone know if they put of video of it yet?

I'm a fan of Theodemocracy

Sounds like thermodynamics

You're also a dirty Keynesian tho

Are you advocating ovens there mate

@Beemann <3

Brett Weinstein actually argues that religion is a natural cultural evolution and has things society needs.

or something like that

@Beemann Who's the Keynesian? Should they get a free helicopter ride?

Cats is

She’s a heretic >: (

Harris argues that spirituality and cultural cohesiveness are needed, but not the metaphysical

That's the thing though, I think society needs a sort of secular blueprint for general cohesiveness now that a lot of the traditional methods have been torn down

It’s really curious that humans evolved with the need for spirituality. I wonder why that happened?🤔 Totally by chance.

And that's been my motivation in the manhood ritual discussions as well, fwiw

Well Harris would define spirituality very specifically

And use it to refer to, for instance, the feeling you get when you look at a work of art

Harris is also a socialist cunt

Nobody's perfect

Fair

Hitchens loved Trotsky for a while

Even Dershowitz voted for the Hildabeast

Dawkins just devolved into a screaming retard though