There's no way that guy would of watched any of your videos, unfortunately people who descend into petty insults dont usually go and actually consume media that disagrees with their world view

In an ancap society*. A libertarian society can absolutely have national borders

It wouldn't be a true libertarian society

Open borders is the official libertarian position

Wait so what is libertarian supposed to mean, I cant pin down an actual definition from anybody, and I've heard it mainly be used as an umbrella term for Republicans and also from a few reasonable folks

"Official libertarianism" is a bunch of subverted bugman hippie nonsense that has no logically consistent philosophy behind it

E.g. the libertarian party

Does official libertarian refer to the party?

isn't it usually disginguished by big 'L' and small 'l'?

If I'm remembering correctly the libertarian party is big 'L'

https://mises.org/library/nations-consent

Groups of people voluntarily associating in an exclusive manner theoretically doesn't violate the NAP

@lesalia It has logical consistent philosophy, it just fails to understand Everything humans are. Making only some of their ideas useful as a whole (but this can be said about most parties, no side is always right).

It might have an actual philosophy and I was being excessively snarky sorry

heh its cool

It is probably bugman hippie nonsense for a lot of people because masses of people don't all have the time or inclination to do philosophy in a perfectly careful way

Not that anyone does philosophy perfectly and I'm not sure what that would even mean

>Wait so what is libertarian supposed to mean
It doesn't mean the same thing to all people who identify as libertarian

Wikipedia says "Libertarianism is a collection of political philosophies and movements that uphold liberty as a core principle" and I guess that's a good enough approximate definition

Its hard to say sometimes (like with any group that fragments into many different parts), but they do have to agree with a few principles (i'm just not sure i care enough to look for them and list them heh).

Ah ok so that would make sense I always understood it as, people are allowed to do what they want as long as its within the law and doesn't effect someone or their property negatively

At least that's my highly simple version of it

The pedantic answer to that would be "not really"

Maybe a good way to explain it to people who are new

"Within the law" implies it's not a critique on the law itself if it's an unjust law

You could say approximately "people should be able to do what they want as long as it doesn't violate another person's property rights" where violating property rights means violence, theft, violating a contract maybe

For capitalist libertarians

There are commie libertarians who consider libertarianism to mean the elimination of all hierarchies and inequalities and that means the elimination of private property rights, I think

Wait so aren't communism and libertarianism at odds then cause if libertarianism is about the individuals then communism is the collective

Where private property rights are replaced with cooperative collective ownership of the means of production

Without state enforcement somehow magically

I think both kinds of libertarians believe in voluntary collectives

I could be wrong about the left-anarchists, but ancaps definitely believe ancoms should be able to make their own commune if they feel like

As long as the commune isn't violating another person's property rights

Ah so in order for it to work out people cant be inherently selfish.

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The individualism/collectivism dichotomy confuses me because collectives can be voluntary sometimes

The correct answer is socially traditionalist and fiscal libertarianism.

Lol

@Salacious Swanky Cat That's what Hoppean restrictive covenant communities are for

People can sign a contract to make a community where they exclude degenerates however they want to define degeneracy, it's where the "physical removal" meme originated