Message from @Dostayer

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2019-02-12 01:23:18 UTC  

No, but renewables are growing really fast.

2019-02-12 01:30:07 UTC  

Is anyone following this AIPAC / Ilhan Omar clusterfuck?

2019-02-12 01:34:30 UTC  

Because I guess suggesting that a literal pro-israel PAC is paying people to be pro-israel is somehow heresy? I can't make any sense of this

2019-02-12 01:35:57 UTC  

I'm seeing some dems tell her to apology for her anti-israel statements.

2019-02-12 02:03:48 UTC  

Ssshhh... can’t criticize our greatest ally. Now go support that unconstitutional anti-BDS bill.

2019-02-12 03:09:31 UTC  

Eh?
What are you talking about?

2019-02-12 03:32:04 UTC  

*Renewable energies has their problems:
Wind isn't reliable enough to be based on, Solar panels has really low efficiency (something like 10% for common commercial solar panels, the highest I know of is somewhere around 30%) and the sun isn't always shining (nights), Thermosolar isn't effective as well.
Hydroelectric is quite expensive to construct and isn't available everywhere.
The most promising renewable energy technology right now is Tidal Energy, but it's still in its infancy.

2019-02-12 03:46:36 UTC  

@Dostayer depending on what solar panels type you are looking at, the average efficiency is about 15-20% for monocrystalline solar or 11-13% for thin film. It’s accepted that it’s possible to get 80% renewables with current technology without doing anything unreasonable. However, that’s still only 80%. The activists ignore the limitations because they are ideologically driven to get to 100%. I’m not exactly sure how tidal will play a role in the future because it’s a bit challenging to do.

2019-02-12 10:48:23 UTC  

@Salacious Swanky Cat Tidal is the most reliable, and again, it's in its infancy and it seems very promising.

10 years ago I've seen a panel of 30% efficiency, AFAIK they are not commercial viable due to high costs (which limits their usage for very specific tasks), they've actually reached 40%.

Renewable energy right know has a problem of high costs anyhow, we won't come anything near to 80% in the next decade due to costs and the lack reliability.
I would love to see the source for the 80% figure, it sounds way too high for me.

2019-02-12 10:49:15 UTC  

I would also like to know what AIPAC did.

2019-02-12 11:55:06 UTC  

Literally nothing

2019-02-12 11:55:58 UTC  

It's a B tier lobby organization that gives money to people who are outspokenly pro Israel

2019-02-12 12:03:12 UTC  

Hi, I'm an Israeli, I can't say I don't like what they are doing.

2019-02-12 12:04:09 UTC  

Especially when you consider where the youth and the Federal administrators are being educated.

2019-02-12 12:05:27 UTC  

@Dostayer the 80% number comes from the us lab nrel.

2019-02-12 12:06:09 UTC  
2019-02-12 12:08:47 UTC  

The clusterfuck I mentioned has more to do with Omar saying negative things about AIPAC and then getting lambasted for it. Or rather, claiming that Israel has too much influence on American politics via organisations like AIPAC

2019-02-12 12:09:22 UTC  

AIPAC didn't specifically do anything in this case outside of *existing*

2019-02-12 12:11:31 UTC  

Oh, I see

2019-02-12 12:12:11 UTC  

Well, evanglicans are way more influential than AIPAC

2019-02-12 12:13:46 UTC  

Although Jews do have a strong hold in the Democratic party

2019-02-12 12:14:50 UTC  

But they have completely different views on things than Israelis, actually, they are progressive Americans more than anything else.

2019-02-12 12:16:59 UTC  

Oh, she's a BDSer

2019-02-12 12:17:48 UTC  

Well, I think it's clear why there is a dislike to her among some circles.

2019-02-12 12:29:07 UTC  

@Dostayer notice how the report page never mentions 100% renewables.

2019-02-12 12:31:02 UTC  

It can't be 100%, it's not reliable enough.

2019-02-12 12:31:15 UTC  

Thanks for the source though.

2019-02-12 12:32:45 UTC  

On a complete different subject: I guess you're aware of young people tendencies to define themselves mostly by their "origin country" rather than their current one?

2019-02-12 12:33:59 UTC  

Yeah. I think that energy use will be mostly renewable in the near future, but it isn't going to get to 100%. The activists want it to get to 100% for purely ideological reasons.

2019-02-12 12:35:19 UTC  

Um. Maybe? I live in America, so most people define themselves by race/ethnicity rather than nationality first, unless they are immigrants

2019-02-12 12:36:34 UTC  

Ethnicity

2019-02-12 12:36:36 UTC  

Well

2019-02-12 12:40:00 UTC  

Yeah

2019-02-12 12:40:24 UTC  

Sometimes though. Not everyone even knows their ethnicity

2019-02-12 12:40:28 UTC  

Something that you might be unaware of: there are Jews from all around the world, one of the largest groups were the ones from the Arab world. They were expelled during the 50's or "voluntarily" left.

2019-02-12 12:40:29 UTC  

Just race

2019-02-12 12:40:35 UTC  

Now

2019-02-12 12:40:39 UTC  

Here we go

2019-02-12 12:40:46 UTC  

For the most part

2019-02-12 12:41:16 UTC  

Yes. Lots of Jews. Ok.