You're conflating college educated and career driven with intelligent

I'd much rather my children have a caring and emotionally /psychologically /physically present mother than a second income.

Call me elitist, but an intelligent high school drop-out doesn't cut it for me

It's a question of priorities and time scale, I think.

Perhaps economics, but even then, you're more likely she's in debt than you are that her second income will end up being net positive after maternity leave and daycare

And where does 'brainwashed' fair in? Like most college educations don't amount to that anyway?

@Dangerous Spaces
It's a bloody shit hole

Priorities and time scale, exactly. It just means people settle down later in life. I wouldn't call that messed up. Some other stuff with the online dating culture is messed up, but the carreer-family balance seems healthy

I'm in it for a loving family and bringing up quality people to be around me for generations and positively affect the culture.

What is it now, like 70% divorce rate? Seems healthy?

These kind of discussions are really interesting. I come from a rural, very red state so traditional family is a very common sight, even stay-at-home moms. So to see people from other regions talking about my normal is... surreal I guess.

Anything that dissuades people from forming stable, nuclear families is wrong.

Stay there, man. Yours is the ideal.

nvm "brainwashed", its just a bone i picked with my ex

Commies should be issued free helicopter rides with great ocean views

Volcanoes are a lovely view.

Send them to the literal lake of fire

RE "Priorities and time scale, exactly. It just means people settle down later in life": and they have fewer kids, less energy to raise them, they barely know or feel attachment to their grandparents, etc.

you end up making your mating selection and number of kids based on the time crunch of her fertility.

@Frog here's an hypothesis. 70% divorce rate comes from people who have no idea what they are doing or what they want or how to communicate it properly. I may very well be wrong, but I see people settling down later in life as a factor for stronger marriages on the long run.

less energy is just weak ass people excuses because they took the health they started with in their youth for granted (generalizing)

Divorce rate is because people are selfish

if you maintain your body you keep your energy

They think marriage is all about themselves

Marriage is about sacrifice

Like Matt said, if one settles too soon, you may not know what you want. Sure you could, perhaps, make it work for your lifetime after a lot of work, but you might very well be miserable for a lifetime

partially, but when you have your first kid at around 30, you're 45 by the time it's a teenager.

But Sal. They fell out of love...or some bullshit excuse

One must be willing to sacrifice in order to have a successful marriage

Romance is weak

Sacrifice is strong

@Arn I’d agree with this. A fair number of people have gotten married with someone just because that is what you were supposed to do, much like going college.

say your kid waits until _they're_ 30 to have kids and base case scenario you're 60 when your grandchild is born and 75 when it's 15.

that's _insane_.

and that's for the _first_ kid.

Younger is better because the woman’s eggs are fresher.

@newtradist That is EXACTLY my story. I'm the first of my siblings and my mother had me at 38

younger women older men seems to be the natural way

had a stay at home dad as well!

i'm sorry that this is personal now, but i think that's unfortunate, man.

So get married to someone with a young body but an older mind