Vic?

Agreed that the boomers hold a lot of the blame for much of this.

Judge is an elected office for one thing...

@Dangerous Spaces
Yea mate the top corner of the state.

Also, so few women in American culture legitimately want to have children and build families. They all want careers and will spike relationships that interfere with their two year plans.

So few of them are skilled and feminine, so all that women 18-27 really have to offer is sexual access and that's all that's celebrated.

thats what the young ones (early to late 20's) say, as they get older they tend to want to get a family

It's incredibly messed up.

Ah fair enough. Mildura is one of those really famous name wise but I really had to think if I even knew where it was.

@Matt Christiansen "cruel and unusual"?

Yep.

Most online dating profiles (eharmony and match) for them say 'might' want kids as well.

@newtradist Is it really incredibly that messed up? Would you rather date a woman accomplishing something or a good looking brainwashed airhead?

Most western women are useless to traditionalist men of you haven't already found and kept one from when you were both in high school from your home town.

You're conflating college educated and career driven with intelligent

I'd much rather my children have a caring and emotionally /psychologically /physically present mother than a second income.

Call me elitist, but an intelligent high school drop-out doesn't cut it for me

It's a question of priorities and time scale, I think.

Perhaps economics, but even then, you're more likely she's in debt than you are that her second income will end up being net positive after maternity leave and daycare

And where does 'brainwashed' fair in? Like most college educations don't amount to that anyway?

@Dangerous Spaces
It's a bloody shit hole

Priorities and time scale, exactly. It just means people settle down later in life. I wouldn't call that messed up. Some other stuff with the online dating culture is messed up, but the carreer-family balance seems healthy

I'm in it for a loving family and bringing up quality people to be around me for generations and positively affect the culture.

What is it now, like 70% divorce rate? Seems healthy?

These kind of discussions are really interesting. I come from a rural, very red state so traditional family is a very common sight, even stay-at-home moms. So to see people from other regions talking about my normal is... surreal I guess.

Anything that dissuades people from forming stable, nuclear families is wrong.

Stay there, man. Yours is the ideal.

nvm "brainwashed", its just a bone i picked with my ex

Commies should be issued free helicopter rides with great ocean views

Volcanoes are a lovely view.

Send them to the literal lake of fire

RE "Priorities and time scale, exactly. It just means people settle down later in life": and they have fewer kids, less energy to raise them, they barely know or feel attachment to their grandparents, etc.

you end up making your mating selection and number of kids based on the time crunch of her fertility.

@Frog here's an hypothesis. 70% divorce rate comes from people who have no idea what they are doing or what they want or how to communicate it properly. I may very well be wrong, but I see people settling down later in life as a factor for stronger marriages on the long run.

less energy is just weak ass people excuses because they took the health they started with in their youth for granted (generalizing)

Divorce rate is because people are selfish

if you maintain your body you keep your energy

They think marriage is all about themselves

Marriage is about sacrifice

Like Matt said, if one settles too soon, you may not know what you want. Sure you could, perhaps, make it work for your lifetime after a lot of work, but you might very well be miserable for a lifetime

partially, but when you have your first kid at around 30, you're 45 by the time it's a teenager.