I don't. We got YouTube TV free trial for her Oscar's

Switchimg between services Netflix/Hulu/Prime/HBO is so much better than those $100 cable/satellite bills

It really is, plus: no commercials

@Chump_or_Champ @Shadows I was apart of the vote conversation a few days ago as well. :p

I still stand by voting being a right that should be reserved for people with an investment in the future. Married + kids or Military service. Along with a 4th arm of government that is made up of random people who's job it is purely to abuse politicians and force a bi-election in their seat when the politcian gets too uppity lol

I don't see how those work together...

I just want a politician to have anti-cheerleaders behind them every moment of the day telling them they are garbage

I am a simple man okay lol

No not that, that's fine.
I'm talking about *I still stand by voting being a right that should be reserved for people with an investment in the future. Married + kids or Military service*

I'm glad that part wasnt a sticking point hahaha

it's the idea that maybe giving literally _everyone_ in a democracy equal say in government may not be the best idea, so we were pitching ideas on who voting would be limited to

I've seen a number of proposals, like going back to the original law of "land owners only", families/households like Lash described, and something like "people who are net positive on taxes" (which is just fancy-talk for "no welfare queens")

in my lizard brain if you are having a family and it is stable then (which marriage should be) then you have an investment in the future that someone who is single and who plans to stay single does not have. Equally if you are willing to die for a cause you've proven to me you are invested in a way hardly anybody else is

I'm also fine banning certain people from voting

the situation that Sweden is in is nothing short of insanity. I don't remember if 15% of the overall electorate or 15% of the people who actually voted in their last (possibly rigged) election are Turkish nationals

you dont see First Past the Post systems won by 15% let alone stupid European "proportional representation" systems won by that much

what don't you like about "proportional representation"?

I understand its value. And on paper I dont have an issue with it. But I really, really, truly hate Coalition governments and their kingmakers.

it also disproportionally favours the left from what I have seen.

not to mention it gave us the absolute fucking wonder that is Guy Verhosphaph

verhofstadt*** You know what. That was pretty damn close! lol

So, just to be clear.
You guys are proposing, that threw out history, most people haven't had a Right to have any say in the people that ruled them. And after a centuries of this practice, of men dying over and over never being able to refuse, or would be places in jail or put to death. The men started advocating the Right for a say in who keeps putting them in war (then granting it to everyone else). While understanding that being in the military does not mean they solely fight for the Freedom and Rights for just themselves, but for everyone's.
What they fought/died for, should be thrown away because we are allowing to many peoples voice to be heard (or the wrong voices)?

People dying for an idea isn’t an argument for the idea itself. That’s not to say I’m making a stand in this particular issue

Plenty of people have died in the name of Islam. We’d be throwing away their sacrifice if we didn’t establish an American caliphate

what they fought and died for was a perfectly valid ideal. The problem is, especially with a welfare state, it hasn't worked.

and I am not saying that people cant earn their right to vote (apart form a few examples). Unlike times past when it simply wasnt given to them at all

I'm not saying its fair either, though you can make the argument that it is. I'm simply saying the whole situation needs to be looked at from the ground up

I'm still conflicted as to how we've determined what crimes are egregious enough to disenfranchise felons from voting. Obviously there's some standard that needs to be met in order to keep that right.

Good point, @amlam with the comparison to Islam.

I think government needs to be flipped upside down. Local government affects you more than national government ever would. Yet hardly anybody ever turns up at townhalls to sort out local issues

Historically, in the US, the fact that only men had the right to vote was also based on the fact that only men could be drafted into war. And we've slowly been giving the right to vote to a larger demographic without any responsibility in exchange. So it's mostly thought experiments right now, I'm not willing to say that I advocate for any particular idea.

dying for an idea doesn't validate the idea or add to the quality of it.

Agreed. That was a good counter point @amlam raised 😃

I heard some fairly left leaning comedians (Ari Shaffir and Theo Vonn) mention they think states rights should make a comeback. The example was Cali wanting weed and Utah not wanting it. They made some points I think they thought were pretty original but were actually just basic American civics

Like how the cultures of the states aren’t similar enough to have one big federal government doing the same thing for every one. And if the stares could do what they wanted then people could just move to states they like

did anybody step in and tell them that is how the US government was designed? lol

if there's one thing I really hoped for with Trump being elected, it would be that lefties would suddenly see the utility of _federalism_

No but they were dead nuts on with basic American civics. It was refreshing to hear

I think people won’t understand the benefit to federalism until it’s actually taught in school

dude I thought the same @C1PHER . They way they were carrying on (and atill are) I thought they'd finally understand why Conservatives have been talking about limiting governments size for years, but they havent. If anything they have ramped up their need to centralise power

I mean, that's what the crazy states are doing with infant murder