Message from @Lord Zedd

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2019-03-05 22:22:11 UTC  

the militant Atheists are more likely Anti-theists

2019-03-05 22:22:18 UTC  

God may not exist doesn't.

2019-03-05 22:22:35 UTC  

If there is no proof of something, and I am not affected by it then it is equivalent to it not existing

2019-03-05 22:22:36 UTC  

there's no proof god exists so it's best to assume he doesn't

2019-03-05 22:23:06 UTC  

In the same sense that I do not entertain the notion of Thor or the Tooth Fairy

2019-03-05 22:23:07 UTC  

but if someone finds personal value in religion power to them, I don't it but whatever floats their boat

2019-03-05 22:23:31 UTC  

@Lord Zedd that depends on how you answer the decartes bargain.

2019-03-05 22:24:21 UTC  

although Descartes would disagree with that suggestion 😉

2019-03-05 22:24:26 UTC  

we all have to found our own way in life, mine isn't religious I think I'm missing the religious belief part of the brain, probably why I'm not a Socialist or Progressive

2019-03-05 22:24:35 UTC  

probably 😃

2019-03-05 22:25:16 UTC  

but generally people try to fill that religious hole in their heart. It happens eventually, usually after people experience some great event close to birth or death.

2019-03-05 22:26:00 UTC  

I don't think it's a religious hole, really

2019-03-05 22:26:15 UTC  

it's a need for meaning I guess

2019-03-05 22:26:20 UTC  

or purpose

2019-03-05 22:26:20 UTC  

I think people just want meaning, and some people are satisfied with someone else's answer

2019-03-05 22:26:42 UTC  

religion isn't always 'someone elses answer' but i agree that its a 'meaning hole'

2019-03-05 22:26:49 UTC  

I accepted that any purpose or meaning obtained in life is self given, it can be whatever you want it to be

2019-03-05 22:27:05 UTC  

but all methods of 'search for meaning' become religions. Including science.

2019-03-05 22:27:20 UTC  

It is always to an extent. You're accepting a grand, supernatural power on faith

2019-03-05 22:27:28 UTC  

Science as a search for meaning is pointless

2019-03-05 22:27:38 UTC  

well grand ideological might be a bit more apt

2019-03-05 22:27:40 UTC  

I agree, which is why I'm religious 😄

2019-03-05 22:27:41 UTC  

Science is a tool for explaining phenomena

2019-03-05 22:27:57 UTC  

it's a means not an end

2019-03-05 22:28:21 UTC  

science isn't a science it's an art 😄

2019-03-05 22:28:31 UTC  

The search for meaning doesn't have a method. It's not really method based at all

2019-03-05 22:28:51 UTC  

The notion of a blueprint or external source for it is wrongheaded

2019-03-05 22:28:56 UTC  

my problem is when people argue that science is truth.

2019-03-05 22:28:59 UTC  

it has some method or it wouldn't work

2019-03-05 22:29:10 UTC  

science is an opinion on the truth with good evidence, but like any opinion it can be wrong.

2019-03-05 22:29:18 UTC  

Science is a method by which one obtains truth, or the closest thing to it

2019-03-05 22:29:27 UTC  

and any opinion based system is vulnerable to huxters and liars.

2019-03-05 22:29:30 UTC  

best approximation of truth

2019-03-05 22:29:35 UTC  

Opinion is misleading

2019-03-05 22:30:30 UTC  

A reliable scientific conclusion is reproducible, either via calculation or experimentation

2019-03-05 22:30:58 UTC  

Even a repeated experiment is often highly conjecture based.

2019-03-05 22:31:05 UTC  

and relies on assumptions that may or may not be true.

2019-03-05 22:31:16 UTC  

Socialism fails the scientific standard everytime

2019-03-05 22:31:33 UTC  

for example you can repeat a lot of 'experiments' that work, but they work for reasons that DO NOT have to do with what you're proving.

2019-03-05 22:31:48 UTC  

which makes it no more than dogma

2019-03-05 22:32:19 UTC  

Yeah, the approach of observation isn't some clean-slate methodology. You always go into everything having to make assumptions