Message from @Lord Zedd
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any 'atheist' who isn't violently anti-christian is really an agnostic when you talk to them about it.
it's seen as tradition
I've never met a true atheist who wasn't holding a grudge against a religion.
I get the argument I guess, being Atheist without being a left wing loon there has to be someway to separate themselves out
I'd call myself an Atheist and I wouldn't consider myself violently anti Christian
personally I've leaned more towards Apatheism in recent years
Beemann, would you consider your position that god does not exist, or that you have no proof that god does exist?
"atheist" and "agnostic" are answers to 2 different questions. The "true atheist" you seem to describe is just a militant atheist
Those are equivalent statements
without proof you can only really assume something doesn't exist
it gets confusing because Atheist and Agnostic are 2 different things
They are not equivalent statements.
God does not exist supposes proof.
the militant Atheists are more likely Anti-theists
God may not exist doesn't.
If there is no proof of something, and I am not affected by it then it is equivalent to it not existing
there's no proof god exists so it's best to assume he doesn't
In the same sense that I do not entertain the notion of Thor or the Tooth Fairy
but if someone finds personal value in religion power to them, I don't it but whatever floats their boat
@Lord Zedd that depends on how you answer the decartes bargain.
although Descartes would disagree with that suggestion 😉
we all have to found our own way in life, mine isn't religious I think I'm missing the religious belief part of the brain, probably why I'm not a Socialist or Progressive
probably 😃
but generally people try to fill that religious hole in their heart. It happens eventually, usually after people experience some great event close to birth or death.
I don't think it's a religious hole, really
it's a need for meaning I guess
or purpose
I think people just want meaning, and some people are satisfied with someone else's answer
religion isn't always 'someone elses answer' but i agree that its a 'meaning hole'
I accepted that any purpose or meaning obtained in life is self given, it can be whatever you want it to be
but all methods of 'search for meaning' become religions. Including science.
It is always to an extent. You're accepting a grand, supernatural power on faith
Science as a search for meaning is pointless
well grand ideological might be a bit more apt
I agree, which is why I'm religious 😄
Science is a tool for explaining phenomena
it's a means not an end
science isn't a science it's an art 😄
The search for meaning doesn't have a method. It's not really method based at all
The notion of a blueprint or external source for it is wrongheaded
my problem is when people argue that science is truth.
it has some method or it wouldn't work