honestly the best line of attack probably isn't along the lines of the way the state benefits women, but on the way they punish men for bad behavior.

or rather disproportionately punish men for bad behavior over women.

ending no-fault divorce would go a long way too.

No-fault divorce could be alright if both parties want to end the marriage

ehhhhh maybe. Think about it like this: most couples who consider divorce but don't follow through with it report that they're happier than couples who do, and often are happier than they were before the hard times.

that IS self reporting, but divorces over money, 'incompatability', and 'irreconcileable differences' are usually not good decisions.

most people will eventually make more money.

'incompatibility' is a different way of saying 'one or both of us are children and can't grow up'.

and 'irreconcilable differences' usually means 'one of us wants a pony, and the other one won't give it to me'.

I think a bigger deal would be if no-fault divorces result in no paternity, split custody, and no alimony.

Divorce for reasons other than adultery and physical abuse are out of selfishness.

People who do that should be judged and shamed

https://twitter.com/getongab/status/1104626192835960832

>dissent option on individual tweets and youtube videos right next to the normal buttons

and ability to rate urls

out now

There’s also the amount of marriages that were rushed into without proper consideration from both parties. That’s got to contribute to divorce rates a fair bit,

Yeah. Too bad. Stay together. Make it work

That's not always realistic Sal.
I have less of a problem with divorce (tho i don't like it at all), if people don't have kids.

But it's always better to teach that as a rule, rather than always qualify it with an exception or way out. That's how weak men flourish

I'm all for a standard, which is why i said i don't like divorces at all.
But you don't just ruin humans who don't live up to the standard or don't want to.

You can tell people What they should be because it works best (for most people, not everyone), you don't get to Make people be that.

Just because people do crappy or unwise things with freedom, doesn't make the freedom to do things less important.

^ Low resolution view at Freedom and it's consequences. imho

Not sure if you mean it as a good or bad thing lol.

VERY bad thing Shadows! You should be completely ashamed of your poor analysis on why Freedom matters.

However, since we're pretty much best friends. There is always room for forgiveness.

Freedom matters for many different reasons.. I gave one, not sure how that's bad but ok :)

It seems a bit incomplete, if not outright dishonest. The negative trade-off for Freedom was completely absent. I hold you to a higher standard Shadows! Perhaps I was all wrong about you. :C

To be clear. I'm not mad.

I'm just disappointed. 😔

We tend to have an incomplete view of what the full spectrum of viable options are for a given situation anyway. While people are allowed to fuck up, openness in "allowed" options (distinct from "approved" options) means they can also pursue a non-standard, potentially superior solution. Further, exploration of this variety allows us to discover what options are bad in the first place, and why

I said freedom has consequences.... That doesn't mean we give up freedom.
And i was giving 1 example of why.
Saying i have the freedom to choose what i eat right now, doesn't negate everything else freedom is important for... @Deleted User

Or all the risks that come with it.

But that's what freedom means, to risk.

Marriage is an institution that shouldn’t be compromised. It is serious.

Almost everything in life is serious...

Marriage is the foundation of society. Everything else depends on it

foundation of *western society?

In the same vein, the rearing of children is probably one of the most important jobs in society, and it's treated like trash these days

Maybe its the children's fault.