Maybe its the children's fault.

not treated like trash in conservative communities.

Oh right, I was gonna bring this up before
So community building. Shit ain't an ethnostate, so unless you're yeeting everyone else your community has to be based around something that isn't A: religious or B: ethnocentric - nation, shared ideals, bodypillow collections, whatever
How do you replicate the sort of communal focus that you can get out of a church community without the church? To a certain extent this has to be tailored to the community it's used in, but it's definitely not an impossibility overall

Other issue: Your community sticks together. Everything is good
How do you prevent stagnation - people banding together against new ideas, regardless of their merit. The risk of groupthink will probably increase over time, assuming nothing fractures
How do you prevent bias in social arbitration - one of the oft cited issues with small towns is abuse of influence and one's reputation never leaving them. Obviously a "Path to Redemption" is needed, but even before that is complete, people ought to get a fair hearing

Short answer : libertarians don't care about anything and will just rot in their bunkers while the world crumbles die to their stagnation.

Long answer: the Golden Path

And for the non meme answer?

Its a good thing you don't strawman anything... People might understand what you are saying at some point

@Shadows lol, you make me laugh <3

@Beemann Can we start a bodypillow collection society?

See the problem is I would have to jihad all who have trash waifus

which is everyone I have met thus far

@Beemann so far in the US, we've done well by building a civic religion and history based on the revolution

That's fine by me, i'm all for return fire on your jihad.

That's why there is such influence for our national symbols, like the flag etc. We had to build a nation from nothing, compared to the Germans who had a shared history

so would you be of the position then that the best solution is to focus primarily on reversing the past X number of decades of KGB subversion? That general direction?

Yes, very much so

The KGB has spent decades turning people against their own government

what did I just walk into?

The ultimate subversion

I think that will become a top 3 focus regardless, I just get the feeling that a few other systems need a bit more than maintenance

I thought it was just going to be Sal going nuts about divorce

nah I'm bringing up societal reconstruction again

@Beemann my respect for you has skyrocketed. No one seems to see the need to turn back Soviet subversion

it's basically why SJWs exist

I don’t think it can be turned back.

I think you can remove its influence in large part by reconstructing the foundation of a basic, flexible social system

I can't think of three, but I see the destruction of Soviet subversion and the anti religious ideals as most important

@J Edgar Was waiting for you to join our talk about bodypillows. What say you?

what we have now is about 6 different social structures, none of which are 100% there, all vying for control over bits they havent quite figured out yet. And some of them are trash on top of that

I didn't know there was any talk about bodypillows. @Salacious Swanky Cat gets to be mine

The ability to create a Universal Value is the main ingredient in creating a positive and prosperous society. Things like Nationalism, ethnic, race, and other forms of symbolism are so vital. No matter how you rally a population, the lack of strict social norms is a requirement, but yes it comes with a steep negative trade-off. Thusly, things like liberalism, and tolerance was much more persuasive and political popular. It's a near impossible balance. However, we're so far gone from this. It's barely even conceivable. :C

Shadows has a collection of body pillows? Who would have guessed

Tolerance isn't really popular though. The people preaching tolerance are some of the biggest opponents of it. What we have instead is an culturally imperialist notion of subversion and capitulation

We can recover, and do it peacefully

Yes yes, technology, decadence, and the luxury of modern convenience is also a fatal result of said society.

It starts with setting your own house in order

I'll try to take the Abbey White pill. But there's a lot suggesting otherwise.

JP ❤

You can't fix society without fixing your own home first

*Begins optimistically cleaning apartment*

Excellent

Tolerance is being able to deal with the existence of opposing and conflicting ideas/practices etc. I would argue this is vital to growth so long as it is taken in moderation