each person will ultimately make the decision that deem best for them and theirs

that they *

@amlam I already said i wouldn't force anyone to be some place. So that doesn't really change what else i said.

I'm moving because I cannot help, i can't fix the problem, I'm moving to protect my family

Selfishly I suppose

Which is fine.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place

“We can’t just run away from these problems and expect them to get better.”
A true and irrelevant statement since nobody who’s leaving is doing so hoping it will get better.

There's a street in my city named after my family

It's just not the same place anymore

Obviously a tough decision to move a few states a way

Away*

What? @amlam

@amlam
CA can't get better until it hits rock bottom. 😢😢😢😢

but if a state hits rock bottom, won't it just get more federal bailout?

Depends on what rock bottom is

honest question, not rhetorical

If it just turns into a place with no economic prosperity because everyone moved away from the murder and taxes then it’ll just be a poor place no one wants to go to

but CA has massive ag and food exports, we do need it

They can still have that and hit rock bottom compared to what they are now

other states need CA and not for sillycon valley hornywood

as one who lives in the ag centrall of CA i can tell you it is tettering on the brink already

the ag industry will wall apart faster than the rest of the state

most ag people are local farmers barely in the black

it would be great if we could get more robots and AI to do the jobs that illegals do currently

imo

@amlam
Brankruptcy, default on obligations, cancellation of social support, etc.
@Clive
Like it or not, there is NOTHING CA exports that can't be obtained elsewhere. Indeed, if CA's farmers *stopped* exporting and left thier frilds fallow a few years, they would GREATLY expedite Sacramento's fall.

I cant see why the rest of the country wouldn't pick up the slack on food

But yeah

Cant just make California dissapear

I ultimately don’t care one way or the other about what happens to California. It largely doesn’t affect my life and as long as that’s true then I don’t care

LOL

Honestly yeah

This is why I like having states govern themselves. I’m happy to let California do whatever it wants to itself, good or bad. As long as I can vote in my state it doesn’t affect me

@Mandatory Carry many veggies (lettuce, spinach, avocados, artichokes) are grown primarily in Salinas valley and cannot be grown anywhere else in the states in sustainable numbers, save for Yuma AZ, but not as high numbers

Avocados be cheap here

I’m sure the world can survive without California’s plants

Sure it can, but the US would be importing them from california if california became another country

Only if they’re less expensive than Mexican avocados

You should consider caring *a little.*
Open your wallet, take out your ATM card, and look at it. ¿See that cold-colored thing? Card chip. CA passed a law requiring all banks doing business in CA to have them; Since all banks at some point do business in CA, all banks had to add that shitech to their cards- Even if they don't have a branch west of the Mississippi.
@Clive
Mexico.
And at the end if the day, nobody will care overmuch if there were no avocados, as amIam pointed out.

Not gonna accept CA as a net benefit because of card chips though

Or that card chips wouldn’t be innovated by the producers who leave California